Usscb Liturgest Suggests Groom And Bride Both Walk Down Aisle

[rose wrought of iron]

Well, I think that it's the bride and groom's choice, but as to the title of the thread... "promotes equality?" Are they serious? The whole both genders should be treated equal thing is overkill; we[i] know[/i] they're equal, but they have different roles as man and woman. I think that having the groom at the front of the church kinda reflects that, and how the man is supposed to be the head of the family... but maybe I'm looking at this to wierdly.

But I kinda want my dad to walk me down the aisle. A little bit for moral support, but mostly because I want to thank him for being the most important man in my life for the previous majority of it. Because, let's face it, dads are so important!

Edited May 9, 2009 by rose wrought of iron

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='rose wrought of iron' post='1863023' date='May 9 2009, 06:24 PM']Well, I think that it's the bride and groom's choice, but as to the title of the thread... "promotes equality?" Are they serious? The whole both genders should be treated equal thing is overkill; we[i] know[/i] they're equal, but they have different roles as man and woman. I think that having the groom at the front of the church kinda reflects that, and how the man is supposed to be the head of the family... but maybe I'm looking at this to wierdly.

But I kinda want my dad to walk me down the aisle. A little bit for moral support, but mostly because I want to thank him for being the most important man in my life for the previous majority of it. Because, let's face it, dads are so important! [/quote]

my sentiments exactly on everything. I guess it doesn't matter one way or the other how they come in (apparently there are some options here), but their reason I find absurd. "For equality." As if grooms are somehow feeling as if they have been snubbed because they are not being able to walk down the aisle too with their parents. *silly*

I like the idea of the father walking the bride down the aisle as well.

very beautiful, apo.

[rose wrought of iron]

Umm... what's "apo" mean?

And this part of the article...
[quote]2. The Bride and the Groom are the Ministers of the Sacrament.
The ministers of the Sacrament of Marriage are the bride and groom. The priest (or deacon) acts as the official witness of the church and the state, but the bride and the groom marry each other.[/quote]


Umm...

I was always under the impression that the priest married the couple. You know, the whole persona Christi thing...

Edited May 9, 2009 by rose wrought of iron

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='rose wrought of iron' post='1863034' date='May 9 2009, 06:33 PM']Umm... what's "apo" mean? [/quote]

sorry. referring to apo when he was talking about the crownings.

[quote]And this part of the article...

Umm...

I was always under the impression that the priest married the couple. You know, the whole persona Christi thing... [/quote]

The minister of the sacrament of marriage is not the priest, but the contracting parties themselves. The words/signs which express the consent of the contracting parties (husband and wife) are the matter and the form of the Sacrament.

[rose wrought of iron]

Gotcha. Thanks!

But I would definitely want to either just say "I do" after the priest or repeat it after him. I would definitely get nervous and forget it if I had to memorize the vows. And that probably wouldn't go over very well...

[TotusTuusMaria]

yeah me too.

yeah, i don't recite things well under pressure.

[eagle_eye222001]

I've served many weddings and have always seen the Father walk the bride down (or someone walks the bride down but not the groom) and I have always thought that kinda cool as the groom waits near the front and then after the Wedding, they walk down together then because [b]then [/b]they are married and are "one flesh" whereas before they are not.

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[cmotherofpirl]

I had both my parents walk me down the aisle, after all they both raised me Your parents don't give you away - you are not a possession, they present you to your groom and their parents. All the parents then go sit down for the Mass.

[Sarah_JC]

I don't like the father walking the bride down the aisle.

While the church has allowed this social custom, I don't think it reflects our relationship or culture or future vocation. If you live in a protestant community and are inviting lots of protestants (like in your family, the bride or groom) , I can see making this allowance so that they'll feel comfortable.

Personally the bride walking down the aisle with her father is too "pageant" or "fashion show" for me. It's a sacrament not a make-over reveal!

I'm looking forward to greeting my guests as they arrive, getting a tonne of hugs before the Mass, including one from my groom.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' post='1863447' date='May 10 2009, 10:23 AM']I don't like the father walking the bride down the aisle.

While the church has allowed this social custom, I don't think it reflects our relationship or culture or future vocation. If you live in a protestant community and are inviting lots of protestants (like in your family, the bride or groom) , I can see making this allowance so that they'll feel comfortable.

Personally the bride walking down the aisle with her father is too "pageant" or "fashion show" for me. It's a sacrament not a make-over reveal!

I'm looking forward to greeting my guests as they arrive, getting a tonne of hugs before the Mass, including one from my groom. [/quote]

Then you miss one of the best possible wedding day moments - when your groom sees you for the first time in your dress as you walk down the aisle. That is priceless.
Important moments in life are best when accompanied by pomp and circumstance. It has nothing to do with being protestant. And its not about a makeover reveal - its you coming to the sacrament appropiated attired in your best -whether its a simple suit or an elaborate gown and processing into the church with your attendants where you meet your intended.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1863046' date='May 9 2009, 04:40 PM']The minister of the sacrament of marriage is not the priest, but the contracting parties themselves. The words/signs which express the consent of the contracting parties (husband and wife) are the matter and the form of the Sacrament.[/quote]
In the Eastern Catholic Churches the priest, and not the spouses, is the minister of the Mystery of Crowning, i.e., what the West calls the "sacrament of marriage."

[MithLuin]

To clarify, no one is suggesting that the bride and groom should process in together. The suggestion is that the groom (and his attendants) be part of the procession. Ie, his parents accompany him down the aisle and leave him by himself at the altar, and then the bridesmaids, and finally the bride (who would still be with her father). It's a much more minor alteration than getting rid of the father walking his daughter down the aisle!

[b]Apo[/b], is Marriage a sacrament in the Eastern tradition?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1863455' date='May 10 2009, 08:19 AM'][b]Apo[/b], is Marriage a sacrament in the Eastern tradition?[/quote]
Yes, it is what we call a "mystery" and what Western Christians call a "sacrament."

[MithLuin]

Okay, thanks. That threw me for a minute, but I didn't think we would disagree on something so major as that! I like the understanding of the West that the bride and the groom are the ministers of the sacrament.

Here is what the Catechism has to say:
[quote]In the Latin Rite the celebration of marriage between two Catholic faithful normally takes place during Holy Mass, because of the connection of all the sacraments with the Paschal mystery of Christ. In the Eucharist the memorial of the New Covenant is realized, the New Covenant in which Christ has united himself for ever to the Church, his beloved bride for whom he gave himself up. It is therefore fitting that the spouses should seal their consent to give themselves to each other through the offering of their own lives by uniting it to the offering of Christ for his Church made present in the Eucharistic sacrifice, and by receiving the Eucharist so that, communicating in the same Body and the same Blood of Christ, they may form but "one body" in Christ.

"Inasmuch as it is a sacramental action of sanctification, the liturgical celebration of marriage . . . must be, per se, valid, worthy, and fruitful." It is therefore appropriate for the bride and groom to prepare themselves for the celebration of their marriage by receiving the sacrament of penance.

According to Latin tradition, the spouses as ministers of Christ's grace mutually confer upon each other the sacrament of Matrimony by expressing their consent before the Church. In the tradition of the Eastern Churches, the priests (bishops or presbyters) are witnesses to the mutual consent given by the spouses, but for the validity of the sacrament their blessing is also necessary.

The various liturgies abound in prayers of blessing and epiclesis asking God's grace and blessing on the new couple, especially the bride. In the epiclesis of this sacrament the spouses receive the Holy Spirit as the communion of love of Christ and the Church. The Holy Spirit is the seal of their covenant, the ever available source of their love and the strength to renew their fidelity. Para 1621-4[/quote]

You mentioned no vows. Then...when/how is the 'mutual consent' given?

[Adrestia]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1863450' date='May 10 2009, 08:40 AM']Then you miss one of the best possible wedding day moments - when your groom sees you for the first time in your dress as you walk down the aisle. That is priceless.
Important moments in life are best when accompanied by pomp and circumstance. It has nothing to do with being protestant. And its not about a makeover reveal - its you coming to the sacrament appropiated attired in your best -whether its a simple suit or an elaborate gown and processing into the church with your attendants where you meet your intended.[/quote]
Plenty of my friends chose not to hide from their grooms before the ceremony. It's a personal choice, and it's not a big deal to everyone. In two cases, the weddings took take place in the evening in downtown Atlanta. They wanted pictures together with the surroundings - the city skyscape - so they had to be done before the wedding. I had fun goofing around with both the bride and groom all dolled up before the ceremony.

For my friends who did want that surprise... it was kinda fun playing where's the groom/hide the bride... but it was an extra stress for them. Depending on the layout of the church, it can be difficult. My old parish in Atlanta is making a special "bride room" in their new building for that reason.