Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) The verse about having only "one wife" simply means that a man who is married a second time cannot be ordained a bishop, priest, or deacon. Edited May 9, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862816' date='May 9 2009, 01:23 PM']The verse about having only "one wife" simply means that a man who is married a second time cannot be ordained a bishop, priest, or deacon.[/quote] Ya but doesn't that indicate that it's ok for a bishop to be married ? And it would also be ok for a priest to be married ? Edited May 9, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1862815' date='May 9 2009, 12:23 PM']Quick question (trying not to hijack too much): I'd read somewhere that the tradition in both East and West (at some point, at least), was that if a married man became ordained, he and his wife then lived in continence from the time of his ordination. Was that the case? And when, if you know? Or if you know a good source for me to read, that's great, too. I admit that I am not as knowledgeable about this aspect. Thanks in advance![/quote] That is a common misconception that is easily disproved by the fact that St. Basil the Elder, who was a bishop, had several children with his wife, and three of those children (and St. Basil the Elder's wife herself) are all saints. Edited May 9, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862794' date='May 9 2009, 01:09 PM']There is no need for interpretation, here is what St. Paul said: "Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" (1st Cor. 9:5)[/quote] actually, the Greek word is not wife, but woman...actually, a devout woman, even perhaps a sister....and i've always viewed this as the devout women who followed our Lord and His apostles on their mission... This verse can be misinterpreted just as the verses in Scripture that seem to indicate that Mary had more children, by using "the brothers of Jesus..." In reading it in the light of the eastern mind, this verse, seems to indicate that all the Apostles were married, and that's news to me... What Scripture does clarify is that the apostles left everything and everyone behind to follow Jesus... Paul at various times clearly teaches it would be best to remain single in order to place one's whole attention on the Lord...(and in this case, Paul would be contradicting himself if you interpret the Biblical passage you supply with your interpretation..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1862818' date='May 9 2009, 12:24 PM']Ya but doesn't that indicate that it's ok for a bishop to be married ? And it would also be ok for a priest to be married ?[/quote] Yes, it is okay, but the Churches, both of East and West, have chosen -- as a matter of canonical discipline -- men who are celibate for the episcopate for the last 1,300 years. Edited May 9, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862822' date='May 9 2009, 02:27 PM']Yes, it is okay, but the Churches, both of East and West, have chosen -- as a matter of canonical discipline -- men who are celibate for the episcopate for about 1,300 years.[/quote] Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862819' date='May 9 2009, 07:25 PM']That is a common misconception that is easily disproved by the fact that St. Basil the Elder, who was a bishop, had several children with his wife, and three of those children (and St. Basil the Elder's wife herself) are all saints.[/quote] Gotcha. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1862811' date='May 9 2009, 01:20 PM']Peace. Obviously they can't because he's nolonger a priest. I wish this wasn't the case for his sake though. But like many have said he knew what he was getting into when he joined so...... Although he could still be a decent guy and on his way to becoming a saint.[/quote] who's no longer a priest? Fr. Cutie? He's still a priest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1862826' date='May 9 2009, 01:29 PM']who's no longer a priest? Fr. Cutie? He's still a priest....[/quote] O I thought he wasn't because he was getting married or something. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinSymonds Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Wait until you see what is coming next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1862840' date='May 9 2009, 02:41 PM']Wait until you see what is coming next.[/quote] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862819' date='May 9 2009, 01:25 PM']That is a common misconception that is easily disproved by the fact that St. Basil the Elder, who was a bishop, had several children with his wife, and three of those children (and St. Basil the Elder's wife herself) are all saints.[/quote] Isn't it also possible that he had his children while still a priest, and became a bishop later, perhaps even after his wife died? The reason I ask is because my ancestor who was a bishop was widowed before he became a bishop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1863077' date='May 9 2009, 05:31 PM']Isn't it also possible that he had his children while still a priest, and became a bishop later, perhaps even after his wife died? The reason I ask is because my ancestor who was a bishop was widowed before he became a bishop.[/quote] I've never read anything that indicates that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melporcristo Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1862546' date='May 9 2009, 02:35 AM']Didn't another priest who worked for EWTN leave the priesthood in order to marry?[/quote] JMJT At least he left the priesthood! Alberto Cutie refuses to leave the priesthood - too bad for him, he automatically excommunicates himself for being unfaithful to his Bride, the Church. I'm going to offer up a sacrifice for him and his conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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