Resurrexi Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862785' date='May 9 2009, 02:04 PM']The custom of the Eastern Churches is to choose bishops from the great monastic communities, but this is a discipline of the Church, and not a doctrine.[/quote] Are you advocating married bishops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862790' date='May 9 2009, 01:08 PM']It is binding now, but it has not always been so. The father of St. Basil, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Macrina was a bishop.[/quote] I know, the point is that it is binding now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1862788' date='May 9 2009, 12:07 PM']I am not familiar with this interpretation of St. Paul. It must be an Eastern-Rite thing....[/quote] There is no need for interpretation, here is what St. Paul said: "Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" (1st Cor. 9:5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1862791' date='May 9 2009, 02:09 PM']Are you advocating married bishops?[/quote] Apostle Paul did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1862792' date='May 9 2009, 12:09 PM']I know, the point is that it is binding now.[/quote] True, but the Eastern Churches -- as unlikely as it would be to happen -- could change the discipline if they wanted to, because it is not a doctrinal matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The East does have something like the Roman rule of celibacy. While the East allows married men to become Priests, a unmarried Priest can not marry. The latter is very similar to the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862794' date='May 9 2009, 02:09 PM']There is no need for interpretation, here is what St. Paul said: "Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" (1st Cor. 9:5)[/quote] I dont know how some people can't undertand this. But you know for believing this you are "wordly" and a "cafeteria" catholic. Man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1862791' date='May 9 2009, 12:09 PM']Are you advocating married bishops?[/quote] No, I am merely pointing out that there have been married bishops in the past, and that the Churches (both Eastern and Western) could change their discipline in this area if they wanted to. That said, one of the things that attracted me to the East was its reluctance to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1862804' date='May 9 2009, 02:14 PM']I dont know how some people can't undertand this. But you know for believing this you are "wordly" and a "cafeteria" catholic. Man...[/quote] It is because earlier you seemed to say that priests could break their vows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1862803' date='May 9 2009, 12:14 PM']The East does have something like the Roman rule of celibacy. While the East allows married men to become Priests, a unmarried Priest can not marry. The latter is very similar to the West.[/quote] True, but parish priests are normally married (except where Eastern Catholics have been forced against our traditions to have celibate parish priests). Celibacy is a monastic discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The spirit explicity warned paul about this. Amazing. I love apostle Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1862806' date='May 9 2009, 01:15 PM']It is because earlier you seemed to say that priests could break their vows.[/quote] Peace. Obviously they can't because he's nolonger a priest. I wish this wasn't the case for his sake though. But like many have said he knew what he was getting into when he joined so...... Although he could still be a decent guy and on his way to becoming a saint. Edited May 9, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1862809' date='May 9 2009, 12:18 PM']The spirit explicity warned paul about this. Amazing. I love apostle Paul.[/quote] St. Paul warned about the idea of forbidding marriage to all. It is a misreading of his letters too say that he would have condemned the practices of the Roman Church, or any other [i]sui juris[/i] Church for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 But the verse before he was talking about bishops and saying how they should have one wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862740' date='May 9 2009, 06:24 PM']Yes, the Eastern Churches have always held that a man can have a vocation to marriage and the priesthood.[/quote] Quick question (trying not to hijack too much): I'd read somewhere that the tradition in both East and West (at some point, at least), was that if a married man became ordained, he and his wife then lived in continence from the time of his ordination. Was that the case? And when, if you know? Or if you know a good source for me to read, that's great, too. I admit that I am not as knowledgeable about this aspect. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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