Father Alberto

[Noel's angel]

Regardless of whether priests should be celibate or not, he knew that the celibate life was part of the path he had chosen. No one forced him into living this way-he had the choice.
If he now chooses not to live this way, that is up to him. People shouldn't be rallying around as if some injustice has been done, as if he had been conned into living a celibate life.

Edited May 9, 2009 by Noel's angel

[Guest]

I want to make it clear that chuck norris loving goofball bald headed Josh(me) isn't rallying around Mr.Alberto. I agree with what you just said entirely. I just think judgment should be heldback and left up to God.

Edited May 9, 2009 by Guest

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862739' date='May 9 2009, 01:23 PM']Nevertheless, the Roman Church should keep (at least for the foreseeable future) its discipline on this issue intact, not because there is some kind of "doctrine" or "teaching" on celibate priesthood, but simply because the Roman Church has dispensed with too many of its customs, which has bred a sense among some of the faithful that change, rather than tradition, is part of what it is to be a Catholic.[/quote]

Why do you always give me the impression that you insult the Roman Church on the sly?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1862761' date='May 9 2009, 11:41 AM']Why do you always give me the impression that you insult the Roman Church on the sly?[/quote]
Perhaps you are looking for insults and find them even when they are not present.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862745' date='May 9 2009, 12:27 PM']The Eastern Churches have always held that a man can have a vocation to marriage and a vocation to the priesthood.


All men are icons of Christ, just as all women are icons of Mary.

In the Eastern Churches it is the monks in particular who iconically represent Christ.[/quote]
in the roman Church, priests are [i]alter Christus[/i] or "other Christs"

so celibacy makes sense...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862764' date='May 9 2009, 01:47 PM']Perhaps you are looking for insults and find them even when they are not present.[/quote]

Rofl.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1862767' date='May 9 2009, 11:51 AM']in the roman Church, priests are [i]alter Christus[/i] or "other Christs"

so celibacy makes sense...[/quote]
A priest is an "alter Christus" in the Byzantine Church too. That said, the majority of the Apostles, all of whom were chosen by Christ the Lord Himself, were married men.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862774' date='May 9 2009, 12:56 PM']A priest is an "alter Christus" in the Byzantine Church too. That said, the majority of the Apostles, all of whom were chosen by Christ the Lord Himself, were married men.[/quote]

but i believe left everything behind to follow him...

[Resurrexi]

Though in the East married men can be ordained to the presbyterate, in none of the sui iuris Churches may married men be ordained to the episcopate. Thus it can be said that even the East practices priestly celibacy, though it is only required for high priests (except in those countries where Eastern simple priests are asked to practice celibacy).

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1862775' date='May 9 2009, 11:57 AM']but i believe left everything behind to follow him...[/quote]
St. Paul indicates otherwise, since he states that . . . if he were married he would have the right to take his wife with him when on mission, just like the other Apostles (cf. 1st Cor. 9:5).

Edited May 9, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Guest]

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Edited May 9, 2009 by Guest

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1862779' date='May 9 2009, 11:59 AM']Though in the East married men can be ordained to the presbyterate, in none of the sui iuris Churches may married men be ordained to the episcopate. Thus it can be said that even the East practices priestly celibacy, though it is only required for high priests (except in those countries where Eastern simple priests are asked to practice celibacy).[/quote]
The custom of the Eastern Churches is to choose bishops from the great monastic communities, but this is a discipline of the Church, and not a doctrine.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862785' date='May 9 2009, 01:04 PM']The custom of the Eastern Churches is to choose bishops from the great monastic communities, but this is a discipline of the Church, and not a doctrine.[/quote]

Yet one still must not make the mistake that the discipline is not binding.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1862781' date='May 9 2009, 01:00 PM']St. Paul indicates otherwise, since he states that . . . if he were married he would have the right to take his wife with him when on mission, just like the other Apostles (cf. 1st Cor. 9:5).[/quote]

Jesus indicates otherwise when he tells the Apostles they will receive a hundredfold for leaving their families to follow him. And Peter reaffirms when he responds, "We have forsaken ALL..."

[quote]cf. 1st Cor. 9:5[/quote] I am not familiar with this interpretation of St. Paul. It must be an Eastern-Rite thing....

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1862787' date='May 9 2009, 12:05 PM']Yet one still must not make the mistake that the discipline is not binding.[/quote]
It is binding now, but it has not always been so. The father of St. Basil, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Macrina was a bishop.