popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 According to Rose: "One call to the university assured me that this is no joke. It’s the real thing—and they’re moving ahead with the project come heat or hurricanes. The chapel is expected to be completed in 2006 along with much of the rest of the new campus." This thing is going to be built come hell or high water. In south Florida both are possible (extreme heat and huricanes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Weber Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I'm going to contact my cousin's husband who received his MA in Theology from Franciscan University of Steubenville and is the director of Student Life down there.. and see what's up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 Good idea. I sure hope this is all a joke or misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Weber Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I just called him by phone - Trent - [url="http://www.naples.avemaria.edu/Student_Life/index.asp"]http://www.naples.avemaria.edu/Student_Life/index.asp[/url] and he wasn't in. I left a msg & will let you know what he says when we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Well, during the medieval ages... weren't their chapels considered [b]"modern"[/b] during their time? I'll support the construction of modern chapels, as long as they remain beautiful and do not pervert what is sacred. The glass chapel looks nice, but I think they should pick a different design. I wouldn't want to be in an all-glass chapel... especially with high winds and hot summer days. Though... it'll be awesome if they held a night service during a thunder storm. THAT WOULD BE SWEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Weber Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Using glass as a primary material for construction contradicts one of the three fundamentals in Church architecture: permanency. The Church is an icon of the faith; it teaches the faith while it fosters worship in Spirit and Truth. A glass Church does not foster the Truth of our worship, nor does it teach the permanency of the faith; it's strong foundation in Jesus Christ and its weighty structure, made of living stones, the saints of God. A blank, glass Church also does not foster the incarnational perspective, wherein the eternal life can be seen, made manifest to the eyes as in icons (1 John 1:1-4). Its foundation is Protestant and iconoclastic, which rejects images of God and the use of the five senses to foster worship of God due to its fear of idolatry. This sort of architecture is not Catholic; it does not serve its purpose, but will actually hinder worship and prevent the formation of a Catholic worldview among the consciences of those who worship within it. What we're dealing with here is a lack of education with regard to ecclesial architecture and its theological foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Mar 26 2004, 12:49 PM'] Well, during the medieval ages... weren't their chapels considered [b]"modern"[/b] during their time? I'll support the construction of modern chapels, as long as they remain beautiful and do not pervert what is sacred. The glass chapel looks nice, but I think they should pick a different design. I wouldn't want to be in an all-glass chapel... especially with high winds and hot summer days. Though... it'll be awesome if they held a night service during a thunder storm. THAT WOULD BE SWEET! [/quote] While there are many architectural forms, there are objective principles with which they must conform. The churches of the Middle ages were not that much different than the churches that had been built directly following the legalization of Catholicism under Constantine. Even those that were quite different (Aix la Chappelle in Aachen, built by Blessed Charlemagne) still conformed to those objective principles. Though the buildings are awesome to behold, they focus you on Christ and on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. This Ave Maria Chapel will not be conducive to prayer because people will be distracted by the monstrous glass structure and everything going on outside it. Unlike medieval churches (or any other properly built church) this chapel will not provide sanctuary from the world. You will be surrounded by the world, instead of escaping from into the arms of Holy Mother Church. And just as a matter of opinion, it is god-awful ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedict_x Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 OMG that thing is HEDIOUS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 Yes, it is benedict!! Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seatbelt Blue Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Mar 26 2004, 11:25 AM'] Thay may be pretty in a secular sense (which is somewhat relative), but in no way qualify as beautiful in the Catholic sense (which is not relative). [/quote] What? What on earth gives you the right to say that? "Beauty in the Catholic sense?" Do you mean Gothic or Rennaissance Italian? St. Peter's is a far cry from Notre Dame. While I',m not a fan of the wholly impractical design myself, my opinion doesn't count. I don't go to Ave Maria, nor am I on whatever committee picked the design. Where do you get off saying that the Catholic definition of beauty is not relative when we have literally slews of different architectural styles? From St. Peter's to Chartres to Canterbury to the Sophia...these are all vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 The difference in architecture does not imply a difference in theological principles upon which they were built. "Beautiful" is NOT in the eye of the beholder. It is not subject to opinion. So to answer your question, I don't mean any of the styles you listed inparticular, but rather, all of them. Why all of them? Because, as I said, of their conformity to Cathlolic principles. The Ave Maria Chapel is not. See Carson's post as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 [url="http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/004614.php"]http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/...ives/004614.php[/url] Ave Maria University Oratory In a surprise partnership between Tom Monaghan of Ave Maria University and Johnson & Johnson's Windex™ a new line of commercials is scheduled to come out. Inspired by the proposed design of the Ave Maria University Oratory this partnership will soon roll out this new ad. [img]http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/Pics/windexchurch.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Author Share Posted March 26, 2004 That's hilarious!! :thatsfunny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishG8s Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I GO TO THAT COLLEGE. Just thought I should give a shout out from their. It's really cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishG8s Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Ok you guys this is my college your talking about. This is going to be an absoulutly beautifull chapel. And for those of you who don't know it's supposedly going to be the notre dame of the south. But this chapel will be open 24 hours aday and have a mass said in it every hour. The Founder of the college "who I actually live a mile a way from and let me say his house is the coooollllest" he was sent to do this by the pope. He's creating a town dedicated to our lady called Ave Maria. I hope and pray to God that this brings more Catholicism to florida. And just also to say the people who go their are seriouse about their religion and really belive and live it. It has been an absoulutly wonderfull experience here and hope everything goes well with the plans they have. -IG- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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