The President

[Iacobus]

[quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Jul 27 2004, 03:01 PM'] What you're proposing is that a small blemish on Bush's pro-life record makes is acceptable to overlook Kerry's entire record. BUSH IS EVIL!!! LET'S CANONIZE KERRY!!!
[/quote]
Umm I siad Bush is evil, you got me there. But I never said Kerry was good.

And last I checked the Catholic Answers voter guide (which I don't really care for but I know many people do) said Stem Cell was a non neg issue. Bush therefore fails. Kerry does, as so many have shown, fails as well. Bush isn't the great leader some make him out to be.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 27 2004, 08:38 PM'] [url="http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html"]Abortion Statistics in the United States[/url]

Study those and see when the percentages began to fall. [/quote]

peep the link

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Jul 27 2004, 10:34 PM'] Umm I siad Bush is evil, you got me there. But I never said Kerry was good.

And last I checked the Catholic Answers voter guide (which I don't really care for but I know many people do) said Stem Cell was a non neg issue. Bush therefore fails. Kerry does, as so many have shown, fails as well. Bush isn't the great leader some make him out to be. [/quote]
Kerry fails MORE than Bush. Bush CUT federal funding for stem cell research, calling for the discontinuation of the practice of creating embryos for the sake of killing and studying them. he gets a C or B in my book.

[ClaireBear]

As Catholics, I think we definitely take into consideration the following statistics when deciding who we're going to vote for (they deal with the "life isues"). It is so hard sometimes to tell what's true and what's not, but I found these really helpful in figuring out the kind of person Kerry is (as opposed to Bush), because none of these are biased opinions, they're just [u]facts.[/u] Hope this helps


President George W Bush- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Act into law on Nov 5 2003 and said "for years, a terrible form of violence has been directed against children who are inches from birth, while the law looked the other way."
Senator John Kerry- Voted no on the PBA ban act and voted numerous times against previous attempts to outlaw partial birth abortion.

Bush- Signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci and Connors law) into law on April 1 2004. This recognizes unborn children as victims when they are injured or killed during the commission of federal or military crimes.
Kerry- Voted against the UVV act and voted in favor of a sub amendment that would have only recognized one victim when a pregnant woman and her child are attacked.

Bush- Early in his presidency GWB reinstated the Mexico City policy, which prevents tax dollars from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.
Kerry- Has stated that his first executive order if elected would be to "reverse the Mexico City policy..." This action would give our tax dollars to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.

Bush- Is against taxpayer dollars being used to pay for abortions. While he was governor of TX, Bush filed a friend of the court brief stating his strong opposition to an attempt to compel the state to pay for elective abortions.
Kerry- Voted numerous times to allow abortions at US military medical facilities and has voted at least 25 times in favor of using taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions in the US

Bush- Has addressed the March for Life via telephone.
Kerry- Attends and is a featured speaker at pro-abortion rallies.

Bush- Backs a ban on all human cloning.
Kerry- Opposes a ban on all human cloning.

Bush- Endorsed by numerous prolife organizations including Right to Life of MI Political Action Committee.
Kerry- Endorsed by Planned Parenthood Action Fund. Planned Parenthood is Americas #1 abortion provider, providing 227,375 abortions in 2002.

Bush- Ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist in suicides.
Kerry- Has said that we will fillibuster any Supreme Court nominees who don't support abortion and if elected president would only nominate judges who support his position on abortion.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

ClaireBear's post said it all. Kerry isn't just tolerant of abortion, but he's one of the most ardent supporters of it!

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='ClaireBear' date='Jul 31 2004, 12:29 AM'] As Catholics, I think we definitely take into consideration the following statistics when deciding who we're going to vote for (they deal with the "life isues").  It is so hard sometimes to tell what's true and what's not, but I found these really helpful in figuring out the kind of person Kerry is (as opposed to Bush), because none of these are biased opinions, they're just [u]facts.[/u]  Hope this helps


President George W Bush- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Act into law on Nov 5 2003 and said "for years, a terrible form of violence has been directed against children who are inches from birth, while the law looked the other way."
Senator John Kerry- Voted no on the PBA ban act and voted numerous times against previous attempts to outlaw partial birth abortion.

Bush- Signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci and Connors law) into law on April 1 2004. This recognizes unborn children as victims when they are injured or killed during the commission of federal or military crimes.
Kerry- Voted against the UVV act and voted in favor of a sub amendment that would have only recognized one victim when a pregnant woman and her child are attacked.

Bush- Early in his presidency GWB reinstated the Mexico City policy, which prevents tax dollars from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.
Kerry- Has stated that his first executive order if elected would be to "reverse the Mexico City policy..." This action would give our tax dollars to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.

Bush- Is against taxpayer dollars being used to pay for abortions. While he was governor of TX, Bush filed a friend of the court brief stating his strong opposition to an attempt to compel the state to pay for elective abortions.
Kerry- Voted numerous times to allow abortions at US military medical facilities and has voted at least 25 times in favor of using taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions in the US

Bush- Has addressed the March for Life via telephone.
Kerry- Attends and is a featured speaker at pro-abortion rallies.

Bush- Backs a ban on all human cloning.
Kerry- Opposes a ban on all human cloning.

Bush- Endorsed by numerous prolife organizations including Right to Life of MI Political Action Committee.
Kerry- Endorsed by Planned Parenthood Action Fund. Planned Parenthood is Americas #1 abortion provider, providing 227,375 abortions in 2002.

Bush- Ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist in suicides.
Kerry- Has said that we will fillibuster any Supreme Court nominees who don't support abortion and if elected president would only nominate judges who support his position on abortion. [/quote]

your facts support that if one supports kerry one, in turn, is truly supporting abortion... full-fledged too

who can support someone who will only do bad? and do wrong?

[the protector]

[quote]who can support someone who will only do bad? and do wrong? [/quote]
It goes both ways, know. Who would support someone whose administration is looking into developing new first strike nuclear weapons?

Personally, I'm glad the electoral votes for my states are almost pre-determined. I don't know how anyone could vote for either of these candidates with a clear conscience. One a threat to the unborn, and one a threat to the safety of the world.

Edited July 31, 2004 by the protector

[littleflower+JMJ]

abortion is the primary issue....theres a major difference between that you compared.

[the protector]

So you are fine with the President enacting contigency plans for nuclear attacks on nuclear and non-nuclear nations. You are fine with the fact that he may incite another arms race.

Edited July 31, 2004 by the protector

[littleflower+JMJ]

hm....if kerry can approve abortion, cloning, same-sex marriage, planned parenthood and anything and everything else under the sun thats liberal (and be supported and vowed to win by HIlary Clinton who actually approves of both abortion adn how China runs their country, talk about nuclear power there ) i might as well just stop right there......


:sleep:

pax...

[the protector]

[quote]Personally, I'm glad the electoral votes for my states are almost pre-determined. I don't know how anyone could vote for either of these candidates with a clear conscience.[/quote]
You see, that's me: indicating my support for neither candidate.

[quote]if kerry can approve[/quote]
That's you: one of the many on this board who equates Bush criticism with unyielding support every liberal that has ever existed.

We actually have more nuclear missiles than China. Who, due to the President's withdrawl form the ICBM treaty and testing of the new missle "defense" system, has threatened to manufacture more missiles.

Acquiescence is a bad thing.

Edited July 31, 2004 by the protector

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[RandomProddy]

I would have thought for a Catholic it's worse to vote for a pro-life Methodist than a pro-choice Catholic....

Edited July 31, 2004 by RandomProddy