Joseph Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I am going to have to find a pro-life independent candidate to vote for. I will not vote for pro-choice Kerry and I do not care much for Bush. Granted he is pro-life, but that is the only thing he has going for him in my eyes. I really wish there was a different Republican candidate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Amarkich is correct in his assesment of the death penalty. I think there may be some misunderstanding as to what the Church teaches about just war. Contrary to what lounge daddy said, the Pope could in fact openly support the war (unless you meant specifically This War and then it's up for debate). There is nothing about supporting a just war that contradicts Catholic teaching. The real question is "Was this war just". I'll not opine on that subject as it is not the topic of this thread. As far as voting: I served four years in the Marines (all under Clinton) and was quite happy when Bush was elected the first time. The Clinton's did tremendous harm to the military and to the country as a whole. I am still happy that Bush was elected but only because the alternative was more evil than I care to think about. In the upcoming election the alternative is even more evil, yet I don't really think Bush is all that great either. He is only marginally pro-life (and I am not talking about the war issue or capital punishment). MAny of his policies have been tailored to please the democrats (the education bill comes to mind). So I am faced witha dilema: Kerry the apostate or Bush the lukewarm? I think I will write in Buchanan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 This is my first presidential election (I've done other elections, though). I couldn't possibly vote for Kerry... And I'm a staunch Republican... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 pro-choice- Kerry pro-life- Bush i think the choice is clear.. even though we COULD have tried to come up with another republican... but this should work out this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 [quote name='Jericho923' date='Mar 26 2004, 01:04 AM'] Life for the unborn, and life for the unforgiven...PRo life needs to be across the board, not another cafetria item thing; but you are right..at least he chooses one way to be pro-life [/quote] Canada ? they're worse off then we are with liberalism. Not only does he choose one way to be pro-life, he chooses the greatest need of being prolife. 1.3 million babies a year in the USA alone are killed. As for the Iraq thing, Kerry voted for it, therefore people who use Iraq against the President must use Iraq against Kerry too. Kerry's statement on things are determined by the group he's talking to. He claims to be Catholic yet is not Catholic in belief at all. He is a liar without integrity. SSA marriages, slaughter of babies worldwide paid by the USA, major tax increases which will cause the loss of jobs because companies will cut jobs to save money, the poor will suffer.... are just a few of the things we have to looke [i]forward [/i]to if kerry wins. If kerry wins, we all loose. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 The thought of how bad Kerry is almost inclines me to vote for Bush. I don't know. I still think I'll write in Buchanan. Besides, he's a fellow traditionalist . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 It's my first election... ooh I'm excited!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I'm voting for Bush. I'd like to point to this thread:[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=8449&hl=kerry"]here[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 A good rule of thumb is to vote for whoever Planned Parenthood is bashing at the current moment. Go Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~runnergurl~ Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='XIX' date='Mar 26 2004, 06:27 PM'] A good rule of thumb is to vote for whoever Planned Parenthood is bashing at the current moment. Go Bush. [/quote] true true I'm becoming more passionate by the moment about pro-life issues. I sure can't vote but if I could I would certainly not vote for Kerry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 About W. or ANYONE who supported the war before we went in. COME OUT and say the war, as it stands with 95% (Kay Report) of the sites serached, was NOT just. It takes a brave person to say that and what is America but the home of the brave??? Pro-life is an issue. And a every important issue. But so is the sacredness of ALL life. We can lose sight of the poor, old, young, sick, dieing, etc. SSE, the tax cuts, don't do much to help the poor. The Mida-care law didn't do much to help the old. Esp senice MC will be broke in 2020 and SSA in 2040. We can't let all life become cheap for the gurantee of safe life for one stage, one group. ALL groups, races, stages need to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 the education bill comes to mind? I have parents for teachers. The teacher union in IL (you know the "terroist" group, I can't rember who called them that I think it was a GOP politican in IL) did not support it. The No Child Left behind act (I don't have the numbers in front of me but I can get them) grants good high standerds. SADDLY the act does not GIVE THE MONEY for the new teachers and books and other things to reach these levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 politics makes me wanna take a page out of Martin Luther's book and throw my feces at those that oppose me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 another post of Aloysius's that is completely relevent to the topic and will progress the convo along: when this is at the top and i'm the last poster Open Mic says: "The President Aloysius" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 26 2004, 10:42 PM'] About W. or ANYONE who supported the war before we went in. COME OUT and say the war, as it stands with 95% (Kay Report) of the sites serached, was NOT just. It takes a brave person to say that and what is America but the home of the brave??? Pro-life is an issue. And a every important issue. But so is the sacredness of ALL life. We can lose sight of the poor, old, young, sick, dieing, etc. SSE, the tax cuts, don't do much to help the poor. The Mida-care law didn't do much to help the old. Esp senice MC will be broke in 2020 and SSA in 2040. We can't let all life become cheap for the gurantee of safe life for one stage, one group. ALL groups, races, stages need to be addressed. [/quote] 1,300,000 > ~2000 It's as simple as math. Who needs the most help now? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The "Pro-life is all life" so I'm not voting for Bush is an illogical argument by people trying to rationalize their desire to sin by voting for anti-life cannidates... Here is a email that I sent to the "Catholic Education" director at my Parish.... [quote]I agree, right to life does mean much more than abortion, but weighing how many innocent lives die in the womb (1,300,000) every year compared to those who are executed, the babies have to come first. Some numbers to consider... 1.3 Million babies killed each year, abortion has been spoiling our society for the last thirty years. More babies have died because of abortion since 1973, than in all the wars in the last 300 years. The average number of executions in the US since 1976 is 29 per year (a total of 820 since 1976). 43,495,845 vs. 820.... I am against capital punishment, but looking at the numbers, which is the greater loss? It is very sad that anyone die at the hands of our government, but many of these people are not totally innocent, whereas all babies are totally innocent. Bush is more Catholic in faith than Kerry. Many Bishops have been publicly excommunicating some politicians that try to claim that they are Catholic when they support abortion. The Church teaches that it's a sin for a Catholic to vote for an abortion candidate when there is a pro-life candidate running against the abortionist. Ref: [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/SINTOVOT.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/SINTOVOT.htm[/url] [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm#2270"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sec...t2art5.htm#2270[/url] [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm#2240"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm#2240[/url] [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm#2242"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm#2242[/url] [url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/"]http://www.priestsforlife.org/[/url] I believe that the lives of the innocent babies outweigh all other issues (i.e. econ, taxes, etc...). God Bless, Max[/quote] God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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