English Translation Of The Latin Vulgate.

[Innocent]

Some time last year, I noticed this website [mod]Can. 825 §1 Forbids this publication -Aloysius[/mod]. It contained the ongoing translation project of a man named Ronald L. Conte Jr. He was translating the Latin Vulgate into English and his plan was to place the final translation in the Public Domain. The translation was not complete at that time.

Now it appears that he has completed the project of translation. The CPDV (Catholic Public Domain Version) is available for download at the site.

I learned of the completion of this through the [url="http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=324543"]translator's announcement on the CAF[/url], where he responds to others' questions about his translation work.

Link to website: [mod]Can. 825 §1 Forbids this publication -Aloysius[/mod]

Perhaps those of you who are somewhat knowledgeable on Bible Translation issues will find this of interest.

Edited May 3, 2009 by Aloysius

[kafka]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1855362' date='May 2 2009, 04:11 AM']I learned of the completion of this through the [url="http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=324543"]translator's announcement on the CAF[/url], where he responds to others' questions about his translation work.[/quote]
They had a good conversation going in that link from catholic answers forum you posted above. I wasnt aware of that, thanks for sharing.

I've been using his translation of the Psalms for a couple of years now. I also downloaded his complete work.

I'm not a bible scholar or any sort of scholar or anything at all, so I cannot make well-educated comments but I do know while translating he used the principles laid out by the Vatican, and the best of principles used by Catholic translators of the past. He has already written a few articles about his translation and translation principles in general, but I know he is working on a more comprehensive article. Some of the ideas expressed in that CAF link will be in his new article.

I've known Ron for a few years now, and although he is controversial, I assure you he is a fine Catholic theologian, and has helped me in a personal way with my life as a Catholic in more than a few ways.

So I would encourage anyone to explore his works especially his Bible translation and notes.

A couple of years ago I published his translation and in depth commentary of the Song of Songs, you may download it for free or order the book here (I make no profit on it):

[url="http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/the-song-of-songs-of-solomon/600992"]http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book...-solomon/600992[/url]

I reviewed it at my blog here:

[url="http://greatcatholicmonarch.blogspot.com/2008/10/song-of-songs-of-solomon.html"]http://greatcatholicmonarch.blogspot.com/2...of-solomon.html[/url]

[Innocent]

[quote name='kafka' post='1855363' date='May 2 2009, 03:20 PM']A couple of years ago I published his translation and in depth commentary of the Song of Songs, you may download it for free or order the book here (I make no profit on it):

[url="http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/the-song-of-songs-of-solomon/600992"]http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book...-solomon/600992[/url][/quote]

Thank you!

I have been trying to understand the books of Ecclesiastes, Job and the Song of Songs after I read Prof. Peter Kreeft's book on them, but so far, I have made no progress at all in the understanding of the Song of Songs. Perhaps this will help, and also your blog post.

Also, I just now noticed that the translator has placed on the website his translation notes, and also a side-by-side rendering of each verse of Scripture in Latin and English, thus creating a CPDV: Study Bible.

The link for that is:[mod]Can. 825 §1 Forbids this publication -Aloysius[/mod]

(This link is the last-but-one link in the main page of the website.)

Edited May 3, 2009 by Aloysius

[kafka]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1855365' date='May 2 2009, 05:08 AM']I have been trying to understand the books of Ecclesiastes, Job and the Song of Songs after I read Prof. Peter Kreeft's book on them, but so far, I have made no progress at all in the understanding of the Song of Songs. Perhaps this will help, and also your blog post.[/quote]
Ron took some classes offered by Kreeft at Boston College a long time ago, but in my humble opinion Ron's works are clearer and more insightful. In short they are generally greater than Peter Kreeft's.

Ronald L. Conte Jr. is still emerging as a theologian. Since Cardinal Avery Dulles (known as the Dean of U.S. theologians) passed away there is talk of a gap in American theology. In the years to come I think Ron's works will eventually fill this gap. I think his works are important, yet they havent come into their time and fruition in the Catholic mainstream quite yet. Who can say: maybe they never will, but they should.

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka

[Innocent]

[quote name='kafka' post='1855363' date='May 2 2009, 03:20 PM']I'm not a bible scholar or any sort of scholar or anything at all, ...[/quote]

I was under the impression you had done extensive study of Eschatological theology?

And thanks for your recommendation of the Song of Songs commentaries. I've read it, and it's truly wonderful. At least, in my limited spiritual reading, I've never come across anything like that so far.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Innocent

[kafka]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1855394' date='May 2 2009, 09:42 AM']I was under the impression you had done extensive study of Eschatological theology?

And thanks for your recommendation of the Song of Songs commentaries. I've read it, and it's truly wonderful. At least, in my limited spiritual reading, I've never come across anything like that so far.[/quote]
I have studied theology for years now but its all been private. I guess what I was thinking of is the fact I have no degree or no teaching position, etc. Also when I study the greats such as Aquinas, Rahner, Dulles, even Conte, I really feel a bit small. No matter, its just a great gift to study and benefit from good Catholic theology

I'm glad you benefited from the Song commentaries. I recommend anything written by Conte. I've read all of his books and articles except for one, and I've benefited from all of them.

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka

[Noel's angel]

This is the same guy from catholicplanet I'm guessing...
The same person who wrote things like:

A woman wearing an immodest skirt or dress offends God less than a woman wearing a modest pair of pants.

God did not give women a place, in the Church, the family, or society, to teach men or to have authority over men.

In general, God does not want a woman to be president.

Hillary Clinton will be U.S. President, under God's Providence, but for the sake of the unborn, not because God wants women to lead men. [b]She will be President by the time of the Warning in April of 2009, and she will change her mind about abortion and become pro-life.[/b] Her role as president is part of God's plan to lead those who most strongly support abortion to conversion. She can speak to them more effectively than an older male conservative could.

A woman should not teach or lead any group that includes adult men, for women are meant to be subordinate to men. Women should not have any role of authority, leadership, or teaching over any group that includes adult men...Neither should any woman be director of religious education...Women should not have any role of authority, leadership, or teaching in the Church, except over other women or children.

All I'm saying is....BE CAREFUL.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Noel's angel

[kafka]

I disagree with you quoting him out of context and off subject:

Here is his full article on women's dress in which he draws from Sacred Scripture:

[url="http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm"]http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm[/url]

Here is his full article on God-given roles for men and women:

[url="http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/roles.htm"]http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/roles.htm[/url]

and military roles:

[url="http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/military.htm"]http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/military.htm[/url]



as far as his prediction about Hilary Clinton and the date of the Warning, he has already publicly admitted he was wrong. He is just a theologian subject to error like the rest of us. He does not possess the gift of Magisterium since he is a mere lay person. He has erred minorly here and there like any other good private theologian in the history of the Church.

Much of his writings are speculative theology, yet speculative theology has an important place in the life of the Church.

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka

[Noel's angel]

I'm not going to turn this into a debate because there already has been a debate on this man's writings. All I'm saying is that he says things like 'women shouldn't teach men' and the whole 'an immodest skirt is not as bad as modest trousers'?? What? So, a girl is walking down the street and her butt cheeks are hanging out and I can see her underwear...that's not as bad as wearing a modest pair of trousers? There's no logic there.
I'm utterly doomed. I've taught men, I'm in charge of the choir in church AND....I wear trousers!!! Thank goodness this man isn't God otherwise I'd be going straight to Hell.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Noel's angel

[kafka]

[quote name='Noel's angel' post='1855763' date='May 2 2009, 06:28 PM']I'm not going to turn this into a debate because there already has been a debate on this man's writings. All I'm saying is that he says things like 'women shouldn't teach men' and the whole 'an immodest skirt is not as bad as modest trousers'?? What? So, a girl is walking down the street and her butt cheeks are hanging out and I can see her underwear...that's not as bad as wearing a modest pair of trousers? There's no logic there.
I'm utterly doomed. I've taught men, I'm in charge of the choir in church AND....I wear trousers!!! Thank goodness this man isn't God otherwise I'd be going straight to Hell.[/quote]
you seem to be over-exaggerating Noel. Peace to you. You might be taking his writings too seriously.

That is all I can say.

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka

[Resurrexi]

Is this translation approved by ecclesiastical authority?

[kafka]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1855789' date='May 2 2009, 06:53 PM']Is this translation approved by ecclesiastical authority?[/quote]
You might want to try reading the links posted above by Innocent and me, and attempt to make sense of the situation yourself.

If you are interested.

[Resurrexi]

I looked at the CAF thread. Does this guy know Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic?

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='kafka' post='1855787' date='May 3 2009, 12:50 AM']you seem to be over-exaggerating Noel. Peace to you. You might be taking his writings too seriously.

That is all I can say.[/quote]

I didn't realise he was supposed to be a comedian.

[kafka]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1855798' date='May 2 2009, 07:09 PM']I looked at the CAF thread. Does this guy know Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic?[/quote]
as well as French, Latin, some Spanish, and I think he is planning on doing something in Japanese in the future, since he has been studying that language now for a few years.

And he isnt 'this guy' or 'some guy' he is my friend and deserves to be respected at least as a serious emerging theologian though I think he will have troubles for a long time which I cant do much to amend.

Believe me. He has greatly helped in a personal way, and in spite of this I got over being prejudiced in favor of him in a blind way.

All I ask is that he isnt treated like someone who is out on an island. He is one of the Faithful in spite of all the controversy about him. He cares more about Truth than anyone and I've experienced this firsthand.

Criticize him, but do it well and prudently just like you would any other theologian. And not in a banal or comedic manner (no reference to you or anyone in particular Resurrexi).

Edited May 2, 2009 by kafka