Former Ambassador To Vatican Turns Down Nd Award

[SaintOlaf]

[quote name='Jesuita' post='1850734' date='Apr 27 2009, 09:25 PM']haha absolutely! She deserves to be recognized...in true Phatmass style. Perhaps someone could talk to dust about making it an official showing of Phatmass' support?[/quote]

I'd chip in for that.

[homeschoolmom]

Terra--

Is it bad to refer to the city of St. Louis Park as well... you know... just wondering what you think...

[Sojourner]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1850900' date='Apr 27 2009, 09:22 PM']Terra--

Is it bad to refer to the city of St. Louis Park as well... you know... just wondering what you think...[/quote]


I'm really not sure what you're referring to.

But I would think we owe similar respect to the names of all holy people.

[eagle_eye222001]

I agree.

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[Collegepak]

ND is a phailure right now. And the American Church is in shambles. We need to pray more.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1850434' date='Apr 27 2009, 03:43 PM']For anyone interested, the website for that is: [url="http://corecouncil.nd.edu/"]here[/url]

They quote a lot from the catechism. Some of the explanations about what homosexuality is are questionable, but they stick to Church teaching that homosexuals should lead chaste lives.[/quote]
What worries me about the [i]core[/i] group is that it "assists in implementing campus-wide educational programming on gay and lesbian issues." These types of politically correct groups tend to send mixed messages. I have seen this type of thing at USF in San Francisco, where lip service is given to Church teaching, while encouragement of homosexual activity also goes on.

The same type of thing happened with Fr. Schexnayder's ministry group in the Oakland Diocese (which eventually went national) started out well, but eventually advocated for homosexual activity, and for the promotion of what he called "gay gifts" in the Church.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1850573' date='Apr 27 2009, 04:34 PM']Of course, the university is not permitted to be known as "Catholic" without permission from a competent ecclesiastical authority. But, revoking permission to use that term would be a big step, one that I don't believe should be taken until other means of redress have been exhausted.[/quote]
And I disagree with you, and so far you have not shown me why I should agree with you. Notre Dame teaches things contrary to Catholic doctrine, and invites speakers who support immoral positions. I think it is the duty of the local bishop to remove the title. That said, the bishop will eventually be judged by God for his actions (or his failure to act) in connection with the protection of his flock.

Edited April 29, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Lounge Daddy]

I think it's a great sign that there is such widespread criticism of ND from the lay community across the country. I think it's an even greater sign that Mary Ann Glendon is getting such widespread applause for her decision to turn down the honor she was to receive.

Even if some of these one-time former Catholic instutions, most notably the Universities, are hardly Catholic anymore; much of the lay community still is.

[unloud]

Notre Dame is not awarding the Laetare medal and they will have Judge John T. Noonan Jr. (a judge who already received the medal in the past) will take the place of Mary Ann Glendon who turned down the speaking position.

[url="http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/11655-former-laetare-medalist-judge-john-t-noonan-to-deliver-address-at-notre-dames-commencement"]Former Laetare Medalist Judge John T. Noonan to deliver address at Notre Dame’s Commencement[/url]

I might add that Judge Noonan is on Notre Dame's Board of Advisors so there is little hope that he will also turn down the speaking invitation.

Edited May 1, 2009 by unloud

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1852075' date='Apr 29 2009, 02:59 AM']And I disagree with you, and so far you have not shown me why I should agree with you. Notre Dame teaches things contrary to Catholic doctrine, and invites speakers who support immoral positions. I think it is the duty of the local bishop to remove the title. That said, the bishop will eventually be judged by God for his actions (or his failure to act) in connection with the protection of his flock.[/quote]
I missed this post yesterday, sorry.

Apo, I've read the canons several times, as well as a couple of commentaries on them, and I am really not sure what would be the best way to proceed. Notre Dame is not a diocesan university; it's run by an order, so the local bishop's authority is somewhat doubtful. The canon's don't say that the title of "Catholic" can be bestowed only by the local bishop but by a "competent ecclesial authority." Here, that might be the local bishop, or it might be the superior of the order, or it might be the regional conference of bishops. I know the Holy See has power to remove the title, but I'm sure it could also be removed by other authorities on down the hierarchy.

The one thing that is clear is that the title "Catholic" is not primarily dependent on the fidelity of the teaching. The canons are clear that the term "Catholic" in this instance refers to the governance of the university. Then, once that has been established, there are responsibilities in the canons about what should be taught, fidelity to Catholic teaching, etc.

What you're advocating for here is a canonical action, but there is no guidance in the canons (that I saw, at least) for when a university should be stripped of the privilege of being known as "Catholic." It leaves this up to the competent authority ... which, as I said earlier, may not necessarily be the local bishop. I would have to look more deeply into the situation to provide a decent answer to that, and I don't have time to right now.