DojoGrant Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 In a recent question answer, Blazer wrote: "Still you can go into the Church and pray before the icons. For the Eastern Churches, icons are like the real presence. They really believe that Christ is dwelling in the icon." Please explain what this means and how it is legitimate. Considering Christ never spoke of or instituted anything like this, how is this legitimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 I did not say that Christ's Presence WAS the real presence, I said it was like it. For the Eastern Churches, the only place where Christ is present "Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity" is in the Eucharist. However, just as we believe that Christ is present in Church. Just as we believe he is present "where two or three are gathered" the Eastern Churches believe that Christ is present in the icon. For them this is not just a symbolic presence, it is a real presence. Not in the same way as the Eucharist, but in a very solemn and profound way . . . in fact, in the Eastern Churches there is ADORATION of the ICON. This would be idolatry if they did not believe the Christ was actually present in the Icon. It is a different kind of presence than in the Eucharist, but one that is solemnly reverenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 From The Catechism of the Catholic Church: 1159 The sacred image, the liturgical icon, principally represents Christ. It cannot represent the invisible and incomprehensible God, but the incarnation of the Son of God has ushered in a new "economy" of images: Previously God, who has neither a body nor a face, absolutely could not be represented by an image. But now that he has made himself visible in the flesh and has lived with men, I can make an image of what I have seen of God . . . and contemplate the glory of the Lord, his face unveiled. 1160 Christian iconography expresses in images the same Gospel message that Scripture communicates by words. Image and word illuminate each other: We declare that we preserve intact all the written and unwritten traditions of the Church which have been entrusted to us. One of these traditions consists in the production of representational artwork, which accords with the history of the preaching of the Gospel. For it confirms that the incarnation of the Word of God was real and not imaginary, and to our benefit as well, for realities that illustrate each other undoubtedly reflect each other's meaning. 1161 All the signs in the liturgical celebrations are related to Christ: as are sacred images of the holy Mother of God and of the saints as well. They truly signify Christ, who is glorified in them. They make manifest the "cloud of witnesses" who continue to participate in the salvation of the world and to whom we are united, above all in sacramental celebrations. Through their icons, it is man "in the image of God," finally transfigured "into his likeness," who is revealed to our faith. So too are the angels, who also are recapitulated in Christ: Following the divinely inspired teaching of our holy Fathers and the tradition of the Catholic Church (for we know that this tradition comes from the Holy Spirit who dwells in her) we rightly define with full certainty and correctness that, like the figure of the precious and life-giving cross, venerable and holy images of our Lord and God and Savior, Jesus Christ, our inviolate Lady, the holy Mother of God, and the venerated angels, all the saints and the just, whether painted or made of mosaic or another suitable material, are to be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on sacred vessels and vestments, walls and panels, in houses and on streets. 1162 "The beauty of the images moves me to contemplation, as a meadow delights the eyes and subtly infuses the soul with the glory of God." Similarly, the contemplation of sacred icons, united with meditation on the Word of God and the singing of liturgical hymns, enters into the harmony of the signs of celebration so that the mystery celebrated is imprinted in the heart's memory and is then expressed in the new life of the faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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