I Hate Hitler

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846734' date='Apr 24 2009, 11:51 PM']No I don't think that had anything to do with it. [/quote]
I suppose we'll have to disagree on this point then.

[Saint Therese]

I bet Hitler was a dog person.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1846217' date='Apr 24 2009, 10:12 PM']maybe he is maybe he isn't. I don't know if the other posters are indicating he could be in heaven or not. Personally I have no reason to believe he is. I don't think there is any reason to believe he changed his ways and accepted any form of the necessary sacraments to be saved (though that's starting a whole new debate so no need to go there).
If anyone is in hell, its probably him. I still try not to hate him, but now feel sorry for where he has to be and pray other people who think like him can recognize what happened to him and change their ways.[/quote]
Yeah, I'm not saying it's necessarily likely, but possible.

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1846347' date='Apr 25 2009, 12:20 AM']I, for one, would love to eventually be able to embrace a Hitler who had been purified by the flames of purgatory and say "welcome to the good side, brother in Christ" upon meeting him in heaven. do I think that to be a likely scenario? no I don't, but imagine the statement of God's mercy if you did show up in heaven and saw him in purgatory being made perfect, or met him after he had been cleansed of all the evil that had twisted up his heart. imagine.[/quote]
Yes, that would be wonderful.

[quote name='Socrates' post='1846407' date='Apr 25 2009, 01:40 AM']Stalin was even more evil than Hitler.

He also had a better mustache.[/quote]
True.

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846585' date='Apr 25 2009, 05:02 AM']I'm always interested to hear people discuss Hitler. He was an evil man but could not have done what he did without the consent of a large portion of the German people.
After the war many Germans claimed ignorance of what was going on. Something over at least six million Jews (not counting Catholics, Gypsises, artists, homosexuals, the retarded and deformed,etc) were systematically destroyed. It wasn't exactly a big secret either. Can you imagine a country smaller than Texas losing over six million people? These were people's neighbors and friends, co workers and relatives. Also it was common practice to give "liberated" Jewish property to so called Aryan or German people.

They knew.[/quote]
You should watch the movie Europa, Europa. It follows a Jewish boy who somehow gets passed off as a German and is in the Hitler Youth. His family are in one of the ghettoes, but he knew nothing of the work or death camps. I'm sure many did know, and did nothing, but not everyone knew.

But you are right that Hitler didn't do it alone. Himmler was head of the SS, and so obviously played a very big role.

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846799' date='Apr 25 2009, 06:19 AM']I bet Hitler was a dog person.[/quote]
He had a German Shepherd named [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blondi"]Blondi[/url]. So there's the problem. If he'd just had a cat. . .

[Hassan]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846585' date='Apr 24 2009, 11:02 PM']I'm always interested to hear people discuss Hitler. He was an evil man but could not have done what he did without the consent of a large portion of the German people.
After the war many Germans claimed ignorance of what was going on. Something over at least six million Jews (not counting Catholics, Gypsises, artists, homosexuals, the retarded and deformed,etc) were systematically destroyed. It wasn't exactly a big secret either. Can you imagine a country smaller than Texas losing over six million people? These were people's neighbors and friends, co workers and relatives. Also it was common practice to give "liberated" Jewish property to so called Aryan or German people.

They knew.[/quote]
[url="http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685"]http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Exec...t/dp/0679772685[/url]

I have German Christians and Romanian Jews in my family. I hate thinking what might have been had they not left before Hitler came to power

[Jaime]

just to let you know, this thread has completely turned me around on hitler

[picchick]

I did not have the time to read this whole thread.

There is the possibility that Hitler was not mental stable. We don't know. People can speculate but you really cannot know. We don't know what was going on in his head. Of course he was a really really really sick man. He definitely was warped. That is why we don't know where he ended up.

That of course doesn't mean that I am letting him off the hook. He did a horrible thing. Worse than horrible. I am just saying that we need to take that into account.

[Resurrexi]

"Deliberate hatred is contrary to charity. Hatred of the neighbor is a sin when one deliberately wishes him evil. Hatred of the neighbor is a grave sin when one deliberately desires him grave harm. 'But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.'" (CCC 2303)

[picchick]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1846987' date='Apr 25 2009, 03:15 AM']If he'd just had a cat. . .[/quote]
...he would have been a worse person.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1846222' date='Apr 24 2009, 05:15 PM']the most likely candidate in all of history for an eternal fate in hell is Judas, since Jesus pretty much said it would be better for him if he had never been born.

Hitler ranks high up there among the very likely residents of the eternal flames.[/quote]

Would you consider Lucifer as a character within history?

[Didacus]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1846257' date='Apr 24 2009, 05:34 PM']Tanks. Because they didn't have any[/quote]

Actually Russia had some of the most advanced tanks in WWII (and the biggest!). Germany were not able to pierce the armour of their biggest tank making it a key defensive element in preventing the German advance into Russia; iwthout it the outcome as we know it may have been very different.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1849979' date='Apr 27 2009, 03:55 PM']Actually Russia had some of the most advanced tanks in WWII (and the biggest!). Germany were not able to pierce the armour of their biggest tank making it a key defensive element in preventing the German advance into Russia; iwthout it the outcome as we know it may have been very different.[/quote]
I didn't know that. Very interesting.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846585' date='Apr 25 2009, 12:02 AM']I'm always interested to hear people discuss Hitler. He was an evil man but could not have done what he did without the consent of a large portion of the German people.
[snip][/quote]

And financial support from outside Germany - Germany was broke years before the great depression hit and yet Hitler's party had financing from... somewhere. Others from outside Germany helped orchastrate his rise.

[Didacus]

Now that I've caught up on reading the thread, there is one aspect that many a not aware of about Hitler.

during the formation of the NAZI party, the originating party members were looking for a 'front man', someone to carry the message they had. (One of which was Ersnt Rhom). These were the people behind the monster that became 'hitler', and their guilt towards the crimes committed are far more condemning than Hitler's.

Anywhoooo, they set about to find someone to carry the party's message, where - where else than the swelling slums of Germany were the desperate were ready to say anything, do anything, become anything for so long as someone gave them a meal. They approach dozens of 'candidates' and tried them out. Out of them, of course, they found a 'gem' of a speaker - Adolf Hitler.

Even Hitler's 'admirers' within the party described him as the perfect spokesman because;

-he had a small unthreatening stature
-he had a voice that could boom out nad make aything sound good.
and the most important trait of all;
[b]-he was of average intelligence at best. A man who could understand the order but was too dumb to question them.[/b]

Hitler was only a puppet to something that had been prepared for years prior to his entrance on stage.


Now with all that considered, Hitler was poor and desperate and given an opportunity to rise to fame and fortune at the expense of those he despised. He succeeded and his predicament at the time of his death is a precarious to say the least. But I can imagine how 'one thing led to another' sort to speak. Now do not misunderstand me on this, I am not sympathetic to the man, but I do seek to understand his reasons and explain (not justify) his actions. In the same line as learning from his counter-example what NOT to do.

To properly make certain that we do not immitate his example, we need to understand where he came from, understand his view point and depict where his errors were committed.

Edited April 27, 2009 by Didacus

[DemonSlayer]

The avatar looks nothing like Hitler.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1850005' date='Apr 27 2009, 04:51 PM']To properly make certain that we do not immitate his example, we need to understand where he came from, understand his view point and depict where his errors were committed.[/quote]