Adrestia Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845799' date='Apr 24 2009, 07:37 AM']Yes you're a trillion times more deserving of Gods mercy then Hitler. If Hitler wound up in Heaven somehow It would blow my mind. I dont know how he possibly could ? Although it is a possibilty yet I cant wrap my mind around it.(at least i've heard it's a possiblity) I guess hating Hitler does make one come across as if they think their better. Never looked at that way although what is wrong with thinking you're better then Hitler ?[/quote] You're very kind. Get to know me better and you might change your mind. Honestly, while the idea of Hitler in heaven seems ridiculous to me, I find it even more ridiculous to believe that someone is beyond salvation. I can't imagine that Hitler made it to paradise (even with a lengthy purgatory), but God is bigger than we can imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Stalin was even more evil than Hitler. He also had a better mustache. I seriously doubt either of them made it through the Pearly Gates, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845760' date='Apr 24 2009, 06:35 AM']Peace bro. I cant. I have zero zilch notta love for Hitler. And that will never change.[/quote] "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I'm always interested to hear people discuss Hitler. He was an evil man but could not have done what he did without the consent of a large portion of the German people. After the war many Germans claimed ignorance of what was going on. Something over at least six million Jews (not counting Catholics, Gypsises, artists, homosexuals, the retarded and deformed,etc) were systematically destroyed. It wasn't exactly a big secret either. Can you imagine a country smaller than Texas losing over six million people? These were people's neighbors and friends, co workers and relatives. Also it was common practice to give "liberated" Jewish property to so called Aryan or German people. They knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846585' date='Apr 25 2009, 12:02 AM']I'm always interested to hear people discuss Hitler. He was an evil man but could not have done what he did without the consent of a large portion of the German people.[/quote] Consent or apathy? I'd lean towards the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Its the same thing isn't it, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Walnuts Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I havent read all the posts. What Hitler did was very wrong. He is pretty interesting to learn from though. Such as the quote " your attack is the strongest defense." and "no man, no problems" are both actually very wise. Take good ideas from people and leave the bad ones. We have a lot to learn from each other, both good an bad examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 You can learn a lot from studying about Hitler. Like how a political leader can take advantage of a political system and twist it to his own motives and desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 This thread reminds me of my soup Nazi thread on the lame board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) Did you know that two things were rampant in the highest ranks of the nazis: occult practice and homosexuality. There was definitely a spiritual dimension to the pheonomenon. Edited April 25, 2009 by Saint Therese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846599' date='Apr 24 2009, 11:07 PM']Its the same thing isn't it, really?[/quote] Well, I suppose you can give your consent indirectly through apathy, but I wouldn't say they're exactly the same. Even if one did realise what was going on, what was he going to do? You've heard of the people who have tried to save people or take action against Hitler and regime: Corrie Ten Boom, Ms. Sendlerova, von Stauffenberg, all tried to save people. Some, like Ms. Ten Boom and Ms. Sendlerova were successful, whereas others, like von Stauffenberg and the Wiederstand, who tried to kill Hitler and certainly had the know-how and manpower, failed, and were killed. People did try to stop it, but imagine yourself in the situtation: the leader of your country is a man who violently puts down resistance and opposition, and he is sending numerous ethnic and religious groups to what appear to be just big holding camps of people all over his wildly expanding empire. He has multiple secret security and police forces that will send you to these same camps if you so much as express sympathy for these groups. It would be nothing more than foolish to think that you could outright stand up against this man and his cronies. And don't forget, there were multitudes of Germans involved in underground movements like the Wiederstand (of which, the Church in Germany played a big part (and note that while Catholics were very commonly outspoken against the actions of the Third Reich, many of the Protestant ecclesial congregations never made any such statements)), like: -Fr. Alfred Delp (SJ) -Berhard Letterhaus -Konrad Cardinal von Preysing and there were many more. I don't think it's fair to say that all the Germans just let it happen. Remember: the NSDAP only held 18% of the seats in the Reichstag when the SA began seizing power by forceful and violent methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846670' date='Apr 24 2009, 11:30 PM']Did you know that two things were rampant in the highest ranks of the nazis: occult practice and homosexuality. There was definitely a spiritual dimension to the pheonomenon.[/quote] Yes. The Nazis did away with their attachment to Christianity as soon as it was politically feasible. They turned their political movement into a quasi-religion, with their Fürher as their semi-deisitic figurehead. See: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs#Adolf_Hitler_and_Ariosophy"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%...r_and_Ariosophy[/url] Edited April 25, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 The resistance was much more successful in countries like Denmark and Italy. THe number of Jews murdered there was relatively speaking quite small. I still maintain that Hitler couldn not have been successful with the at least indirect consent of the German people. Its clear to me that the movement was demonic in origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1846706' date='Apr 25 2009, 12:42 AM']The resistance was much more successful in countries like Denmark and Italy. THe number of Jews murdered there was relatively speaking quite small.[/quote] You don't think that could have anything to do with the fact that: 1. there were no death camps in Denmark or Italy, or 2. Italy was a sovereign nation with a government that was not committed to killing Jews, or that 3. the concentration of Jews in Denmark and Italy were much, much smaller than that of Germany, Austria, and especially Poland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 No I don't think that had anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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