I Hate Hitler

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845799' date='Apr 24 2009, 01:37 PM']Yes you're a trillion times more deserving of Gods mercy then Hitler. If Hitler wound up in Heaven somehow It would blow my mind. I dont know how he possibly could ? Although it is a possibilty yet I cant wrap my mind around it.(at least i've heard it's a possiblity) I guess hating Hitler does make one come across as if they think their better. Never looked at that way although what is wrong with thinking you're better then Hitler ?[/quote]
Because any of us can fall. Any of us, given the same circumstances, could make the same choices he did.

It is possible that, when he was in his bunker, he repented. We can't know.

[Guest]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1845803' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:51 AM']Because any of us can fall. Any of us, given the same circumstances, could make the same choices he did.[/quote]

Reallly ? Any of us ? Hmm I'm not convinced. He was pretty evil.

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1845803' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:51 AM']It is possible that, when he was in his bunker, he repented. We can't know.[/quote]

And he would be forgiven just like that ? Interesting.

Godbless.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845799' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:37 AM']Yes you're a trillion times more deserving of Gods mercy then Hitler. If Hitler wound up in Heaven somehow It would blow my mind. I dont know how he possibly could ? Although it is a possibilty yet I cant wrap my mind around it.(at least i've heard it's a possiblity) I guess hating Hitler does make one come across as if they think their better. Never looked at that way although what is wrong with thinking you're better then Hitler ?[/quote]

Hitler in "heaven or not" is fortunately not your decision to take.

The saints have told us to pray every day so that the hells be empty.

If you hate Hitler, then you give in to evil. You may despise what he's done, despise what he represents, but do not hate the man. Do not hate at all.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Didacus

[Didacus]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845806' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:55 AM']Reallly ? Any of us ? Hmm I'm not convinced. He was pretty evil.



And he would be forgiven just like that ? Interesting.

Godbless.[/quote]

[quote]True humility is when you realize that there is no sin you could not commit.[/quote]
Mother Mary Francis

[Guest]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1845808' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:00 AM']Hitler in heaven or not is fortunately not your decision to take.[/quote]

True but I don't see how he could be ?

[quote name='Didacus' post='1845808' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:00 AM']The saints have told us to pray every day so that the hells be empty.[/quote]

Is this possible ? I saw this on history channel about the lost books of the Bible. One of the books says eventually God will let everyone out.

[quote name='Didacus' post='1845808' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:00 AM']If you hate Hitler, then you give in to evil. You may despise what he's done, despise what he represents, but do not hate the man. Do not hate at all.[/quote]

I forget the verse but the o.t. talks about hating with a perfect hate those who are enemies of God.

Godbless.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Guest

[Guest]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1845810' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:01 AM']Mother Mary Francis[/quote]


Yes I understand that quote because to even hate in your heart makes you a murderer. I just dont get how someone like Hitler could end up in heaven but say someone else dies without repenting of 1 mortal sin the night before and they go to hell. Doesn't seem to make sence.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Guest

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845806' date='Apr 24 2009, 01:55 PM']Reallly ? Any of us ? Hmm I'm not convinced. He was pretty evil.[/quote]

Yes, any of us. He didn't start out wanting to exterminate the Jews. He did start out in an abusive family. And he was influenced by other anti-Semitic writings of the time. He didn't become what he was in a vacuum.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845806' date='Apr 24 2009, 01:55 PM']And he would be forgiven just like that ? Interesting.[/quote]
If it was a sincere repentance, then I would trust in God's mercy for that. Not that he wouldn't have had a lot of time in Purgatory, most likely, but the possibility remains that he remembered the faith of his childhood and sincerely turned back to God. The point is that we can't know. Think of the parable of the vineyard workers, where those who only arrived at the end of the day got paid the same as those who worked the entire day. Those that repent at the end of their lives are still given that reward by God, in His infinite mercy.

[Guest]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1845826' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:34 AM']Yes, any of us. He didn't start out wanting to exterminate the Jews. He did start out in an abusive family. And he was influenced by other anti-Semitic writings of the time. He didn't become what he was in a vacuum.[/quote]

I have a difficult time with the any of us but I know that is not your point. I wasn't aware he grew up in a abusive home. It's just funny to me some will have hope in Hitler ( I dont know how ?) yet they will be the first to say that a protestant isn't going to achieve salvation because their outside of the Church. So if Hitler made it to heaven how could anyone really end up in hell ?


[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1845826' date='Apr 24 2009, 08:34 AM']If it was a sincere repentance, then I would trust in God's mercy for that. Not that he wouldn't have had a lot of time in Purgatory, most likely, but the possibility remains that he remembered the faith of his childhood and sincerely turned back to God. The point is that we can't know. Think of the parable of the vineyard workers, where those who only arrived at the end of the day got paid the same as those who worked the entire day. Those that repent at the end of their lives are still given that reward by God, in His infinite mercy.[/quote]


The same question comes to mind. If Hitler makes it to Heaven how could anyone end up in hell ? I think it's a very fair question.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Guest

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1845830' date='Apr 24 2009, 02:43 PM']The same question comes to mind. If Hitler makes it to Heaven how could anyone end up in hell ? I think it's a very fair question.[/quote]
If Hitler made it, it would be because of truly repenting and making an act of perfect contrition at the end of his life. If someone rejects God all their lives, and doesn't change at the end, I would venture to say that person would not go to Heaven because of their rejection of God. This is, of course, just my opinion, as I am not a theologian and am not an expert on such matters. So just speculation on my part here.

[Didacus]

DB;

If God's grace is infinite then how hard can it be to believe that He can forgive anything we do? We are finite, our evil thus is also finite, but God is infinite; He surpasses us in every way. I find it harder to believe He cannot forgive even a man of the sort of Hitler than that He cannot.

With that said, I can't imagine Hitler being in heaven either, but sometimes you just have to bare ignorance and trust the AllMighty.

What I appreciate for your posts is that your lack of undertanding (which again, I do believe I share in some respect) does not bring you to question God's palce and validity. That's a good thing. At least I'm pretty sure it is.

[Guest]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1845838' date='Apr 24 2009, 09:54 AM']If Hitler made it, it would be because of truly repenting and making an act of perfect contrition at the end of his life. If someone rejects God all their lives, and doesn't change at the end, I would venture to say that person would not go to Heaven because of their rejection of God. This is, of course, just my opinion, as I am not a theologian and am not an expert on such matters. So just speculation on my part here. [/quote]

Gotcha Gotcha. Godbless


[quote name='Didacus' post='1845839' date='Apr 24 2009, 09:55 AM']DB;

If God's grace is infinite then how hard can it be to believe that He can forgive anything we do? We are finite, our evil thus is also finite, but God is infinite; He surpasses us in every way. I find it harder to believe He cannot forgive even a man of the sort of Hitler than that He cannot.

With that said, I can't imagine Hitler being in heaven either, but sometimes you just have to bare ignorance and trust the AllMighty.

What I appreciate for your posts is that your lack of undertanding (which again, I do believe I share in some respect) does not bring you to question God's palce and validity. That's a good thing. At least I'm pretty sure it is.[/quote]


Ok I love where you're going Didacus because it leads me to then question if there is an eternal hell for human souls ? Note I say question as I do believe in it since Jesus told us about it as well as other apostles. But since we are just talking it would seem that if God could forgive hitler (which i'm not against as long as hitler would be eternally good) then God could forgive everyone. Surely if Hitler is forgivable then everyone would be. That reminds me of the lost books of the Bible where one book says that it's a secret that one day God will let everyone into Heaven. Now I dont believe that or hold on to that hope but at the same time I could see how its phathomable. It would almost seem if this were the case that purgatory and hell would be somewhat of the same. I mean is it really that impossible to think God would allow suffering souls out of hell one day ? I dont think it is although I dont see how that could include satan and the fallan angels as well ? Because if that were the case it seems like everything might happen all over again when eternity finally ran its course. lol Now im thinking way to deep. It's probally unwise to think that deep. I'll stop now.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Guest

[Didacus]

Eternity is not an infinite amount of time, it is the absence of time.
That is a key differentiation that is necessary to properly comprehending the heavenly and damned states.

Purgatory is not eternal however, it is a temporal thing.

[princessgianna]

[font="Georgia"][b]Love the sinner, hate the sin! [/b]
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Pax~

[Guest]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1845981' date='Apr 24 2009, 11:28 AM']Eternity is not an infinite amount of time, it is the absence of time.
That is a key differentiation that is necessary to properly comprehending the heavenly and damned states.[/quote]


I didn't think of it that way...hmmm....interesting...
I assumed at some point eternity would run it's course...

[pat22]

I just did a presentation on him for school.