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princessgianna Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Why would we refuse a Christian burial even if they killed themselves? How would we know their heart? EDIT: Doesn't only God know that! Edited April 22, 2009 by princessgianna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='princessgianna' post='1843089' date='Apr 21 2009, 07:24 PM']How would we know their heart?[/quote] That is a good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='princessgianna' post='1843089' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:24 PM']Why would we refuse a Christian burial even if they killed themselves? How would we know their heart? EDIT: Doesn't only God know that![/quote] There was a specific canonical prohibition against Christian burial of suicides from the 4th Century to the 20th Century, and it is still forbidden under the general prohibition of Christian burial to "manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful." Edited April 22, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I am generally against Christian burial for those who commit suicide. Are there ever any exceptions? Sure I think its possible. I'm not really one to speculate on the possibilities however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843106' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:30 PM']There was a specific canonical prohibition against Christian burial of suicides from the 4th Century to the 20th Century, and it is still forbidden under the general prohibition of Christian burial to "manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful."[/quote] blah blah blah God will judge their hearts. Did the popes who burned innocent "heretics" get funerals ? Edited April 22, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Are you saying we should go against ecclesiastical laws and customs? Not to mention the scandal that is given when the Catholic funeral rites are given to suicidals. Edited April 22, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843106' date='Apr 21 2009, 08:30 PM']There was a specific canonical prohibition against Christian burial of suicides from the 4th Century to the 20th Century, and it is still forbidden under the general prohibition of Christian burial to "manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful."[/quote] Why would that be a scandal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843121' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:37 PM']Are you saying we should go against ecclesiastical laws and customs? Not to mention the scandal that is given when the Catholic funeral rites are given to suicidals.[/quote] Peace pham. I'm the wrong guy to ask. Good topic by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='princessgianna' post='1843122' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:37 PM']Why would that be a scandal?[/quote] It might give people the false notion that suicide is not a mortal sin. Edited April 22, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843121' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:37 PM']Are you saying we should go against ecclesiastical laws and customs? Not to mention the scandal that is given when the Catholic funeral rites are given to suicidals.[/quote] Scandel and church go hand in hand. Were all sinners. Edited April 22, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843106' date='Apr 21 2009, 08:30 PM']There was a specific canonical prohibition against Christian burial of suicides from the 4th Century to the 20th Century, and it is still forbidden under the general prohibition of Christian burial to "manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful."[/quote] The entire Canon you quoted: #1184 §1 Church funeral rites are to be denied to the following, [b]unless they gave some signs of repentance before death[/b]: 1° notorious apostates, heretics and schismatics; 2° those who for anti-christian motives chose that their bodies be cremated; 3° other manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful. §2[b] If any doubt occurs, the local Ordinary is to be consulted and his judgment followed.[/b] Emphasis mine. I would imagine that it could be difficult to tell if someone who committed suicide had repentance before death. That's why when in doubt, what the bishop decides goes. The reason I am passionate about this, is I'm married to a man with a serious mental illness. Over 10% of the people with his illness commit suicide. If he were to, I know that he wouldn't be responsible, and I would like him to have a funeral mass. I'm hoping he would be granted compassion rather than judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843124' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:39 PM']It might give people the false notion that suicide is not a mortal sin.[/quote] Very good point. Suicide is never a option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1843125' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:39 PM']Scandel and church go hand in hand. Were all sinners.[/quote] Scandal can be gravely sinful (cf. CCC 2284) and we are all called to avoid grave sin. Edited April 22, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1843124' date='Apr 21 2009, 08:39 PM']It might give people the false notion that suicide is not a mortal sin.[/quote] oh I see! That's understandable! Thanks~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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