master_alterserver Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Everyone rejoice! Again I say rejoice! The supreme court ruled to keep the "under God" part in the pledge. I hope you all say a prayer and thank God for this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Where did you hear this or see this? I know the court heard arguments today, but they rarely issue opinions until months after the arguments; in fact, I don't think they're expected to issue an opinion until sometime this summer. I didn't find anything on AP or Reuters about them having issued anything ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master_alterserver Posted March 25, 2004 Author Share Posted March 25, 2004 It was on the National News. They ruled on the fact that this nations history was formed under God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hmm, well, if I were you I'd be skeptical of that report ... Nothing I've read indicates that they issued a ruling on the pledge case, only that arguments were heard, and that Michael Newdow presented his case very well. He even drew applause from the gallery when he said, "No atheist can get elected to public office." This according to Reuters. I think the case is interesting, though, and I'm quite interested to see how the court rules. It's obvious from the reports I've read that media present at the arguments were impressed with Mr. Newdow's arguments; they all lead off their stories with him and describe him in glowing terms. I wonder, though, whether the inclusion of the term "under God" in the pledge really has any great significance in the scheme of things. Is this a battle we should really fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesygerm Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 I have not heard anything supporting that. I have tried to find the case decision of Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, 02-1624 under [url="http://www.supremecourtus.gov"]http://www.supremecourtus.gov[/url] I hope it stays!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicke Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) HM....I wonder if these people want the [url="http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/declaration_transcript.html"]Declaration of Independence[/url] changed too. [quote]When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of [b]Nature's God[/b] entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.[/quote] Edited March 25, 2004 by thicke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 [quote name='thicke' date='Mar 24 2004, 07:05 PM'] HM....I wonder if these people want the [url="http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/declaration_transcript.html"]Declaration of Independence[/url] changed too. [/quote] I'm sure that's a step somewhere down the line, but you don't have kids reciting this every day so it's not as obvious. Part of Newdow's argument, again according to Reuters, is that the pledge is almost like a prayer. "I am an atheist. I don't believe in God," he said. "My daughter is asked to stand up and say her father is wrong." Maybe the Declaration is safe because it's not recited every day in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicke Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Atheist lover .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phikoz Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 (edited) i dont know if they have made their decision yet, on the news i heard that they are deciding it and havent made a decision yet. anyway look to Lincoln, he called for a national day of fasting [quote]National Day of Fasting Proclaimed Washington, D.C. March 30, 1863 Senator James Harlan of Iowa, whose daughter later married President Lincoln's son Robert, introduced this Resolution in the Senate on March 2, 1863. The Resolution asked President Lincoln to proclaim a national day of prayer and fasting. The resolution was adopted on March 3 and signed by Lincoln on March 30. BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. A PROCLAMATION. [b]Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation. [/b] And whereas, it is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord. And, insomuch as we know that by His divine law nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God..We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessingswere produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us! [b]It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. [/b] Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the thirtieth day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion. All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine preaching, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this theirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh. BY THE PRESIDENT: ALRAHAM LINCOLN WILLIAM SEWARD, SECRETARY OF STATE Source: The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, edited by Roy P. Basler. [/quote] Edited March 25, 2004 by Phikoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 [quote name='thicke' date='Mar 24 2004, 07:11 PM'] Atheist lover .... [/quote] Ha ha, very funny Seriously, though, it just seems as though this is such a small thing for so many people to be so hot about. Whether we say it or not doesn't change the fact that we are, in fact, a nation under God. It just seems the fervor for this issue could be better directed at other fronts. IMHO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 YAY noah! i knew that my post for the rosary thread would work! Mary, Queen of all Saints, pray for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 All that I found said the Newaday (I cant spell it) argued his case to a 5 star level. I can't find the ruling ANYWHERE. But I don't think they rule on the day most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 24 2004, 08:06 PM'] All that I found said the Newaday (I cant spell it) argued his case to a 5 star level. I can't find the ruling ANYWHERE. But I don't think they rule on the day most of the time. [/quote] If they had ruled on the case this story would probably eclipse any other story. I hope the Court uses their God-given sense and make the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master_alterserver Posted March 25, 2004 Author Share Posted March 25, 2004 OK! Sorry. I misunderstood what they said. They have not officially ruled but stated that the Atheist guy did not have a legitimate argument. Sorry for the mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 [quote name='master_alterserver' date='Mar 25 2004, 06:33 AM'] They have not officially ruled but stated that the Atheist guy did not have a legitimate argument. Sorry for the mistake. [/quote] Where did you see this? I've never heard of the court commenting on someone's argument before releasing a ruling ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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