I Am A Right-wing Extremist!

[Socrates]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1862223' date='May 8 2009, 11:28 PM']I didn;t say Michael Savage made anti semetic comments, as I recall you asked for rhetoric comparable to the nazi anti semetic rantings, which Mr Savage provides plenty of. I do focus on Michael Savage because he is tied for third place with conservative audiences yet is a man very comparable to the Nazi propagandists of the past.

I could point to Ann Coulter



It wasn't my argument, you asked for examples of comparable rhetoric which I have provided.[/quote]
Yet you've provided no actual examples, and certainly shown nothing comparable to Nazism.

"Comparing" conservatism to Nazism is typically the last resort of a liberal who's bereft of actual substantial arguments.

And Michael Savage is a red herring in this debate anyway.

[quote]Like those darn liberals at the ACLU?

They never stand up for free speech[/quote]
The ACLU is usually quite selective in whose "free speech" they stand up for. (When was the last time you saw them defending Christian's right to free speech, as opposed to atheists, etc.?)
"Hate speech" legislation (an attack on free speech if there ever was one), the so-called "fairness doctrine," and political-correctness are typically advocated by the left, rather than the right.

[quote]Social conservatives existed within the Soviet Government, very much so in fact. You keep wanting to conflate economic socialism with progressivism, by making them one and the same. It's a nice rhetorical trick on your part, although perhapse you don't intend to and are just imitating Ann Coulter or whoever, but profoundly flawed[/quote]
So now, not only Nazism, but Communism as well is "conservative"?

Figures . . .

You are the one who wants to conflate American conservatism with Nazism.
"Conservative=right-wing=Nazi" is no less stupid than "Liberal=left-wing=Communist."

If you don't like that game, don't start it.


[quote]I need some entertainment while I study.[/quote]
You must lead a very dull life.


[quote]And we see the begining of another profoundly flawed argument.




The Church=/=Christians

The man who ran the camp where Kolbe died was a devout Protestant as I recall.

More important for the gaping hole in your silly comparison is that fact that Nazism is by far not the only movement in the 20th century to incorporate or wholly be right wing Christian.[/quote]
I recently listened to a talk by a devout Catholic woman from the Czech Republic who survived both Nazi and Communist occupation. The Nazis brutally persecuted the Church there, and many were blatantly atheist.

Nazism was hardly a movement rooted in Christianity. You need to study history (and basic spelling while you're at it) rather than cheap lefty propaganda.

And besides atheistic left-wing regimes have murdered more people worldwide than Nazis and "Christians" put together.

However you try to play it, you lose.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1864630' date='May 11 2009, 10:17 PM']Yet you've provided no actual examples, and certainly shown nothing comparable to Nazism.[/quote]

Examples of what? Comparing a religious minority to cockroachs isn’t akin to Nazi racist propaganda?

[quote]"Comparing" conservatism to Nazism is typically the last resort of a liberal who's bereft of actual substantial arguments.[/quote]

I am not comparing intelligent conservativism to Nazism. I think I've said that very clearly several times now and have praised such an ideology.

[quote]And Michael Savage is a red herring in this debate anyway.[/quote]


You asked for examples, if it's a red herring then it's a red herring given at your request.


[quote]The ACLU is usually quite selective in whose "free speech" they stand up for. (When was the last time you saw them defending Christian's right to free speech, as opposed to atheists, etc.?)
"Hate speech" legislation (an attack on free speech if there ever was one), the so-called "fairness doctrine," and political-correctness are typically advocated by the left, rather than the right.[/quote]

Really?

How about Rush Limbaugh? As I recall the last time that engorged hypocrite was exposed for the charlatan he is the ACLU actually fought to defend his medical privacy.

[Hassan]

[quote]So now, not only Nazism, but Communism as well is "conservative"?

Figures . . .[/quote]


Let's see. Did I say "communism" or did I say "the Soviet Government"?
And did I say the Soviet Government was conservative?
Go back, read slowly, and be on the lookout for nuance. If you need any help let me know.

[quote]You are the one who wants to conflate American conservatism with Nazism.
"Conservative=right-wing=Nazi" is no less stupid than "Liberal=left-wing=Communist."[/quote]

Never did any such thing.





[quote]You must lead a very dull life.[/quote]

lol.

and you can't tell when someone is being facetious

[quote]I recently listened to a talk by a devout Catholic woman from the Czech Republic who survived both Nazi and Communist occupation. The Nazis brutally persecuted the Church there, and many were blatantly atheist.[/quote]


Oh wow, you listened to a talk.

Let's see, am I unaware that Catholics were persecuted by the Nazis? Well in the very post you were responding to I mentioned a famous Catholic Saint brutally martyred by the Nazis, so probably no.



[quote]Nazism was hardly a movement rooted in Christianity. You need to study history (and basic spelling while you're at it) rather than cheap lefty propaganda.[/quote]

It was hardly dethatched from it. And the problem is not my historical knowledge, or spelling, or immersion in propaganda. It is your inability to dispense with right wing talking points and actually engage with what I am claiming. I made reference to right wing Christian nationalism, now that was very much involved with the popular German support for the Nazi government, but I was referring to other movements. I also mean, for example, Orthodox Serbian nationalists.

[quote]And besides atheistic left-wing regimes have murdered more people worldwide than Nazis and "Christians" put together.[/quote]


And what the hell does this have to do with anything I'm saying? Perhaps if I shared your asinine, hyper dichotomized view of the world this would be an effective rhetorical counter. Sadly for you I do not. Left wing regimes have committed atrocities, horrific atrocities. If anyone makes a post objecting to the government monitoring far left organizations who it feels may go down a militant path then these movements and government would be relevant, for this conversation they are not.

[quote]However you try to play it, you lose.[/quote]

lol

[Brother Vinny]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1841649' date='Apr 20 2009, 06:36 PM']Left wing and liberal aren't synonyms. Stay on target, porkins.[/quote]

w00t, [i]Star Wars[/i] allusion!