I Am A Right-wing Extremist!

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1843708' date='Apr 22 2009, 04:04 PM'][size=3][font="Book Antiqua"]the nazis are like the current day liberals in that they both do not have nor believe(d) in the dignity of human life in any stage; and use human beings for experimentation regardless of the lives that are lost...[/font][/size][/quote]
If you say so.

[Winchester]

So you're giving up on me, too? I don't think you're of lesser intelligence for thinking one way or the other, I think you're of lesser intelligence because you drink too much turpentine.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1843940' date='Apr 22 2009, 08:16 PM']If you say so.[/quote]
i know so

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1844482' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:41 AM']So you're giving up on me, too? I don't think you're of lesser intelligence for thinking one way or the other, I think you're of lesser intelligence because you drink too much turpentine.[/quote]
but it tastes better than coke.

[Socrates]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1843420' date='Apr 22 2009, 09:00 AM']I'm going to leave it at that. I'm not debating because I find it offensive that you're calling me a liberal and saying that the nazis were just like liberals. I'm debating because I think it's historically inaccurate to say that the nazis were like the current day liberals.

This debate won't go anywhere, anyway. You're just going to keep calling me names and insinuating that I'm of lesser intelligence for thinking one way or another, so it's not worth it.

You win.[/quote]
It's also historically inaccurate to say that the Nazis were like the current day conservatives.
Remember, you started all this by saying the Nazis were conservatives.

I never called you names, and I don't think you're of lesser intelligence - just wrong. But if you don't want to debate, that's cool.

[Socrates]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1842385' date='Apr 21 2009, 09:00 AM']That pro-lifers as a group as not as dangerous as Isamlic terrorists? That's kinda obvious. Muslims as a group are not as dangerous as right-wing extremists or the KKK or all the other nutjobs out there. Terrorists and extremists of any variety are dangerous. I heard second-hand accounts of people wanting to blow up mosques after 9/11. Fortunately nothing came to pass, but hey, crazy is equal opportunity.[/quote]
Muslims as a group are more dangerous than pro-lifers as a group. Yet, this report defines those who oppose abortion as "extremists," yet Muslims are not.
Islamic extremists are more dangerous than the KKK, etc.
Both are FAR more dangerous than anti-abortion "extremists."

The facts, as usual, are not politically-correct.

And if crazy really is equal-opportunity, why make a report listing "extremist" beliefs in the first place?
Most things on there labeled "extremism" I agree with.
Let's go after real terrorists, not anybody whose political beliefs happen to be at odds with those of Obama administration.

After all, anyone could blow stuff or kill people for any reason, or none at all.
Pro-lifers, etc. are certainly no more likely in reality to be violent than anyone else.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1837149' date='Apr 16 2009, 08:27 AM'][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/16/napolitano-apologizes-offending-veterans-dhs-eyes-rightwing-extremism/"]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...wing-extremism/[/url]

Napolitano Apologizes for Offending Veterans After DHS Eyes Them for 'Rightwing Extremism'
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized to veterans in a FOX News interview after a DHS report labeled returning troops at risk for embracing right-wing extremist.

snippet here:
A footnote in the report, which was released last week by DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis, said that while there is no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are planning acts of violence, such acts could come from unnamed "[b]rightwing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, abortion, increasing federal power and restrictions on firearms[/b] -- and singled out returning war veterans as susceptible to recruitment.



Well....looks like I fit all of those. If I am disappeared, I leave my phatmass tshirt collection to dUSt for enshrinement.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean who even heard of a disenfranchised young Iraq war vet embracing right wing extreamism and targeting some sort of federal target.

[img]http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/december2006/191206_mcveighcompare3.jpg[/img]

same as warning about the possability of young, disenfranchised Muslim men embracing Islamic extreamism.

In both cases there is great danger of a group mearly particularly open to getting pulled into extreamism being abused and maltreated. But while I do understand why the warning bells may be going off for you, it must still be remembered that it is a legitimate thing to remember and stay aware of.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1843195' date='Apr 21 2009, 10:44 PM']In practice, Nazism has far more in common with Communism and the socialist Left than it does with conservatism.[/quote]

lol, no.

You are correct that acadamic conservativism, the old classical conservativism has nothing to do with Nazism, and it really is an admirable ideology even if I think its wrong. The "conservativism" that most people are thinking of which does fit the Nazi would be akin to what we hear on the talk radio circle now. Stupid and cheep nationalistic populism and nativism.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1845492' date='Apr 23 2009, 10:47 PM']The facts, as usual, are not politically-correct.[/quote]

"The facts" and "The claim Socrates has just made" are not necessairly the same thing you know.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1848217' date='Apr 25 2009, 10:22 PM']lol, no.

You are correct that acadamic conservativism, the old classical conservativism has nothing to do with Nazism, and it really is an admirable ideology even if I think its wrong. The "conservativism" that most people are thinking of which does fit the Nazi would be akin to what we hear on the talk radio circle now. Stupid and cheep nationalistic populism and nativism.[/quote]

Yeah, Nazi Germany was in fact a Socialist state, Socialism and Communism are like Coke and Pepsi, the same but against one another. Which is why Hitler and Stalin did not get along but in the end had the same goals of nationalization of the free market.

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1848507' date='Apr 25 2009, 11:14 PM']Yeah, Nazi Germany was in fact a Socialist state, Socialism and Communism are like Coke and Pepsi, the same but against one another. Which is why Hitler and Stalin did not get along but in the end had the same goals of nationalization of the free market.[/quote]

Because the problem with Nazi Germany was economic collectivism

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1848520' date='Apr 25 2009, 11:19 PM']Because the problem with Nazi Germany was economic collectivism[/quote]

Actually yes, that 'economic collectivism' afforded Hitler and his party with vast amounts of power and control over the people. Ditto for Stalin, and other Communist/Socialist Dictators.

Edited April 26, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1848528' date='Apr 25 2009, 11:23 PM']Actually yes, that 'economic collectivism' afforded Hitler and his party with vast amounts of power and control over the people.[/quote]


Wow.

So let's look at this scientifically. For you the independent variable is economic collectivism. So much like Nazi Germany Sweden is a hotbed of ethnic cleansing and militarism.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1848539' date='Apr 26 2009, 12:28 AM']Wow.

So let's look at this scientifically. For you the independent variable is economic collectivism. So much like Nazi Germany Sweden is a hotbed of ethnic cleansing and militarism.

[/quote]

A nation does not need a holocaust to be oppressive. Yet a nation that does commit genocide would be vastly more cruel and oppressive. Historically, it is a fact that many/all oppressive governments in the past have 'nationalized' the free market, or parts there of. This gains the government vast power and control, and of course capital $$$. This is what helped propel Hitler, Stalin, others and there political parties to full power.

[url="http://www.namyth.com/SocialismWORKS!/index.php?sw=Sweden#sol_home"]As for Sweden. [/url]

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1845492' date='Apr 23 2009, 11:47 PM']Muslims as a group are more dangerous than pro-lifers as a group. Yet, this report defines those who oppose abortion as "extremists," yet Muslims are not.
Islamic extremists are more dangerous than the KKK, etc.
Both are FAR more dangerous than anti-abortion "extremists."

The facts, as usual, are not politically-correct.

And if crazy really is equal-opportunity, why make a report listing "extremist" beliefs in the first place?
Most things on there labeled "extremism" I agree with.
Let's go after real terrorists, not anybody whose political beliefs happen to be at odds with those of Obama administration.

After all, anyone could blow stuff or kill people for any reason, or none at all.
Pro-lifers, etc. are certainly no more likely in reality to be violent than anyone else.[/quote]

It wasn't a comprehensive report of all exremist groups. They were focusing on groups that might become more active and violent in response to Obama's presidency and his policies. It did not define all who oppose abortion as extremists. It said there are some anti-abortion activists who are extremists (and it's true, as shown by what's happened in the past). There are some pro-gun activists who are extremists. And while all racism should be considered extremist, there are some who are considerably more militant (i.e. the KKK) than the majority of racists who keep their bigotry among friends. They aren't worried about the law-abiders and those who are peaceful (this includes most of the pro-life movement). Granted, reports like this sometimes are a first step towards targeting an innocent group, but if we cry wolf every time we smell the beginnings of another Nazi regime, we'll wear ourselves out with hypertension and worry. When civil rights are being denied, then we have valid reason (not to mention the greater public support) to take a stand.

Edited April 27, 2009 by LouisvilleFan