Has Everyone Seen This But Me?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1837276' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:46 PM']Catherine was kind enough to apologize, but knowing the kind of posts Catherine has made in the past I find it hard to believe she intended offense. HCF seemed intent on taking offense, however, which leads me to believe that she is overly sensitive on this issue, and has insecurities about her body image, as many women (of many sizes) do.[/quote]

I think she was genuinely using it for a point of dicussion, more than being offended. She likes Catherine, so there is no ill will going on here. She questioned a comment and got an explanation. Big deal. It's not your place to decide what HCF's insecurities may or may not be, and air that in front of everyone else. It smacks of trying to make her look foolish.

Edited April 16, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1837277' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:47 PM']I have heard the same thing in choir. So although there are exceptions, I agree with CatherineM on a singers size. There is a relationship between lung capacity, fatty tissue around the voice box, and volume. Today the need is diminished, but before microphones, it told a large-sized person to project a tune above an orchestra.

Considering she has only sung in a church choir, Susan Boyle has a powerful emotional voice. I love how the female judge was unconsciously directing her and Simons look of delight at the first notes sung. This is why he does the program.[/quote]


I saw a clip of her on the Today show (??) and it was being aired from her home in Scotland. She did part of the song impromptu on the air and she sounded awesome! She is a natural and doesn't even need studio enhancements.

[CatherineM]

The chair of our PC's teenage daughter has been giving her mom trouble about coming to church. She's almost 18, so her mom is walking a fine line between forcing her and encouraging her. She wants to go to college for fine arts, and I told her if she wants to get practice singing in front of large (well maybe not so large at our church) audiences, church choirs are a great place to start. There are a lot of professional singers who got their start in the choir loft. I was not surprised at all to hear that this woman sang in the choir.

I also loved her statement that she wanted to finally do something with her life. When you hit 40+ and look back and think that you have wasted your life, or haven't reached your potential, it can be enormously life changing. It's not a great feeling to think you have wasted half your life, but it's a better revelation at 40 than at 80 when you don't have a second half left to make changes.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1837247' date='Apr 16 2009, 11:20 AM']Actually, I think Terra and Catherine are right. I do wear size 0 hip huggers, and I am well aware of the fact that my body is not a real representation of an average woman. In that sense I am not "real." That doesn't make ME any less real, or what I do any less important, it just means that people who look like me should not be held up on a pedestal as the standard to which every woman should strive. For the majority of women in the world to look like me would mean severe eating disorders and living unhealthy lifestyles. That's not fair. I'm not "normal" and other women shouldn't be persecuted because society thinks they should look the way I do.[/quote]

Right. I think that a woman is a woman. I just got confused with her use of "real woman" because ALL women are real. The comment just seemed to suggest that a full-figured woman is "real" and I was wondering what that meant about thin women. I believe two other posters shared my confusion, so I was definitely not the only one who misread the comment. Again, all women are real women.

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1837248' date='Apr 16 2009, 11:21 AM']Perhaps you need to come to terms with your insecurities about your weight and not read insult into posts that don't intend it.[/quote]

I have absolutely NO insecurities about my weight. What even gives you the right to make such a judgment?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1837308' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:35 PM']I have absolutely NO insecurities about my weight. What even gives you the right to make such a judgment?[/quote]
Maybe you should reread your post.

[picchick]

Speak for yourselves...[i]I[/i], for one, am a fake woman.

Edited April 16, 2009 by picchick

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1837310' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:44 PM']Maybe you should reread your post.[/quote]

Initially, I thought that Catherine was implying that women who are not full-figured are not "real" women (as in, not "normal"). However, there are some women who are naturally thin, just as there are women who are naturally full-figured. One is no more "real" than the other. My point was that I cannot help having a naturally thin frame. So because I cannot control my genetics, I am somehow less "real" than another woman? That was the point I was trying to make. If anyone wants to assume that I have insecurities about my personal appearance, feel free to do so. Because, you know, someone insecure about what they look like would post personal pictures of themselves for all to see.

[VoTeckam]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1837262' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:36 PM']Honestly, when I was talking about someone size 0 in hip huggers I wasn't talking about weight, I was actually talking more about age.[/quote]


Mm hmm. The female voice peaks at 40 with constant and proper training.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1837308' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:35 PM']Right. I think that a woman is a woman. I just got confused with her use of "real woman" because ALL women are real. The comment just seemed to suggest that a full-figured woman is "real" and I was wondering what that meant about thin women. I believe two other posters shared my confusion, so I was definitely not the only one who misread the comment. Again, all women are real women. [/quote]

That might have been me, I was cracking jokes with Moosey. I wasn't confused by the "real woman" statement at all.

[XIX]

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[littleflower+JMJ]

I agree with Terra.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1837312' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:48 PM']Initially, I thought that Catherine was implying that women who are not full-figured are not "real" women (as in, not "normal"). However, there are some women who are naturally thin, just as there are women who are naturally full-figured. One is no more "real" than the other. My point was that I cannot help having a naturally thin frame. So because I cannot control my genetics, I am somehow less "real" than another woman? That was the point I was trying to make. If anyone wants to assume that I have insecurities about my personal appearance, feel free to do so. Because, you know, someone insecure about what they look like would post personal pictures of themselves for all to see.[/quote]


The fact is referring to overweight women as "real women" has become common-place in American society and it's absurd.

Edited April 16, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1837310' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:44 PM']Maybe you should reread your post.[/quote]


Even if she re-reads it 500 times that won't change the fact that she didn't express any insecurities about her weight. She asked a question.

I'm totally baffled as to why you all need to deflect attention away from her simple question by accusing her of insecurities.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1837312' date='Apr 16 2009, 12:48 PM']Initially, I thought that Catherine was implying that women who are not full-figured are not "real" women (as in, not "normal"). However, there are some women who are naturally thin, just as there are women who are naturally full-figured. One is no more "real" than the other. My point was that I cannot help having a naturally thin frame. So because I cannot control my genetics, I am somehow less "real" than another woman? That was the point I was trying to make. If anyone wants to assume that I have insecurities about my personal appearance, feel free to do so. Because, you know, someone insecure about what they look like would post personal pictures of themselves for all to see.[/quote]

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1837386' date='Apr 16 2009, 02:12 PM']The fact is referring to overweight women as "real women" has become common-place in American society and it's absurd.[/quote]