Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ah, yes, because all the adults in that commercial acted like perfect angels when they were kids. What ever happened to the sense of responsibility, "hey, God's entrusted me with a kid to raise up to be a holy person and productive member of society?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' post='1835295' date='Apr 14 2009, 01:10 PM']Ah, yes, because all the adults in that commercial acted like perfect angels when they were kids. What ever happened to the sense of responsibility, "hey, God's entrusted me with a kid to raise up to be a holy person and productive member of society?"[/quote] It disappeared with the false promises of contraceptive devices. Since those have become reasonably effective, it is possible to have sex without tangible long-term consequences. Sex without consequences means sex without responsibility. Increasingly kids are seen as a nuisance rather than a blessing. But you know all this ... Edited April 14, 2009 by Terra Firma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1835180' date='Apr 14 2009, 11:53 AM']Kids don't put that much effort into a tantrum unless they have been trained that they will work.[/quote] I actually laughed a bit at the commercial because of the absolute absurdness of it. I mean there are soooo many things wrong with the commercial. 1. It assumes all kids act like that kid. Totally undisciplined which is false. 2. It assumes the parent is perfect and the child is the problem. We all know that the real problem in the commercial is the parent for not disciplining the child. 3. It says that condoms should have been used to avoid the child. Okay. Does society completely stop having kids? Is this going to turn into a quasi-Shaker movement where we believe in sex but in not having children at all? So society will just die off? Is that our goal? 4. It assumes that children are inherently bad and must be avoided at all costs. Irony is that all the adults in the commercial were kids at one time. To hate kids, means you hated yourself at one point. I could go on but I'll stop here. I'm preaching to the choir. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/all+that+remains/track/two+weeks"]All That Remains - Two Weeks[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url]: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Watching the kiddos tantrum reminded me of a story my dad told me about when he was little. Apparently, he was prone to throwing huge tantrums. One day he decided to have one in the post office. He laid face down on the floor and started kicking and screaming. And then.. he banged his head on the concrete floor. He was then rushed to the doctor's office for stitches. He said that ended his tantrum days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I can't stand it when people treat children like a burden. They are a gift from God. it just saddens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1835406' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:56 PM'] I actually laughed a bit at the commercial because of the absolute absurdness of it. I mean there are soooo many things wrong with the commercial. 1. It assumes all kids act like that kid. Totally undisciplined which is false. 2. It assumes the parent is perfect and the child is the problem. We all know that the real problem in the commercial is the parent for not disciplining the child. 3. It says that condoms should have been used to avoid the child. Okay. Does society completely stop having kids? Is this going to turn into a quasi-Shaker movement where we believe in sex but in not having children at all? So society will just die off? Is that our goal? 4. It assumes that children are inherently bad and must be avoided at all costs. Irony is that all the adults in the commercial were kids at one time. To hate kids, means you hated yourself at one point. I could go on but I'll stop here. I'm preaching to the choir. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/all+that+remains/track/two+weeks"]All That Remains - Two Weeks[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url]:[/quote] Totally. It reminds me of a quote from the movie Matilda were the cruel priciple says that she hates children and was glad that she never was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1835411' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:00 PM']Watching the kiddos tantrum reminded me of a story my dad told me about when he was little. Apparently, he was prone to throwing huge tantrums. One day he decided to have one in the post office. He laid face down on the floor and started kicking and screaming. And then.. he banged his head on the concrete floor. He was then rushed to the doctor's office for stitches. He said that end his tantrum days.[/quote] Good thing it happened in front of witnesses. We have a foster mom here facing life in prison because a child in her care with fetal alcohol syndrome kept doing that, and caused a fatal injury. She had no way to prove that she didn't cause the injury, and the kid's pediatrician's testimony that he banged his head and self-harmed wasn't believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1835425' date='Apr 14 2009, 05:08 PM']She had no way to prove that she didn't cause the injury, and the kid's pediatrician's testimony that he banged his head and self-harmed wasn't believed.[/quote] That is absolutely horrible. We live in such a paranoid society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1835143' date='Apr 14 2009, 09:44 AM']Along similar lines, it really bugs me when people talk about babysitting kids as being "birth control." Like, if you see what kids are really like, you wouldn't want to have any of your own. [/quote] [quote name='Selah' post='1835418' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:04 PM']I can't stand it when people treat children like a burden. They are a gift from God. it just saddens me.[/quote] I have given this a little thought through the day, and as I think about it there is something to be said for acknowledging that children ARE a burden. They are a burden that shouldn't be undertaken lightly. Entering parenthood will change you forever. I think that's true no matter what stage in parenthood you're at, whether you're in the early stages of pregnancy all the way to being a parent of an adult child. Sometimes these changes are smooth, and other times they are difficult. That's what love entails -- it is a blessing that brings with it a burden. We see that even with Jesus as he began his Passion. He felt the burden of his love for us. Parents get a taste of that with children. And frankly, if you are not up to the sacrifice and the level of responsibility required to have children, that can be a reason to postpone having children. Maybe that means avoiding children through careful practice of NFP for a married couple, or maybe it means that a single person is more careful to avoid near occasions of sin. By engaging in intercourse, you open yourself to responsibility, and I think what really bothers me about this commercial is not that it views children as a burden but rather as a burden you shouldn't have to think about. Even if you're practicing NFP very conservatively because of grave reasons to avoid pregnancy, you should be conscious that your actions could lead to parenthood. The commercial advocates for carefree sex, for intimacy without consequences, and that is what is wrong with it. So I'm kinda re-framing what I said earlier; in the instances I've heard this most often, people are referring to the fact that children should motivate people to use birth control, much like this commercial. [quote name='tinytherese' post='1835433' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:11 PM']That is absolutely horrible. We live in such a paranoid society. [/quote] Yeah, well, there are plenty of times when that paranoia is warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I think I've seen it before in a funniest commercials program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1835455' date='Apr 14 2009, 05:33 PM']I have given this a little thought through the day, and as I think about it there is something to be said for acknowledging that children ARE a burden. They are a burden that shouldn't be undertaken lightly. Entering parenthood will change you forever. I think that's true no matter what stage in parenthood you're at, whether you're in the early stages of pregnancy all the way to being a parent of an adult child. Sometimes these changes are smooth, and other times they are difficult. That's what love entails -- it is a blessing that brings with it a burden. We see that even with Jesus as he began his Passion. He felt the burden of his love for us. Parents get a taste of that with children. And frankly, if you are not up to the sacrifice and the level of responsibility required to have children, that can be a reason to postpone having children. Maybe that means avoiding children through careful practice of NFP for a married couple, or maybe it means that a single person is more careful to avoid near occasions of sin. By engaging in intercourse, you open yourself to responsibility, and I think what really bothers me about this commercial is not that it views children as a burden but rather as a burden you shouldn't have to think about. Even if you're practicing NFP very conservatively because of grave reasons to avoid pregnancy, you should be conscious that your actions could lead to parenthood. The commercial advocates for carefree sex, for intimacy without consequences, and that is what is wrong with it. So I'm kinda re-framing what I said earlier; in the instances I've heard this most often, people are referring to the fact that children should motivate people to use birth control, much like this commercial. Yeah, well, there are plenty of times when that paranoia is warranted.[/quote] Great post. As I was reading it, I kept hearing "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" in my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntingknight Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Well...... at least he didn't start a fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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