tinytherese Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 So I've heard some people argue that Adam ate the forbidden because he knew that Ever would be banished and that he did it so that he could be with her. So he did it out of love. I know that we can't determine what he exactly was thinking at the time but I thought about it the other day and wondered, "What if Eve had been the only one who at the forbidden fruit? Would she and Adam be apart from each other? What would have happened. Surely, God wouldn't have sent her out alone and unprotected." Thought that it was an interesting topic to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Since Eve wasn't even created when God told Adam to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge, then if she had been the only one to eat it, maybe she might have gotten a lessor sentence. It's obvious from her discussion with the serpent that she was aware of it, but since she wasn't a party to the original contract, a good lawyer might have gotten her leniency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Adam is the head of the human family, and so it is his eating of the forbidden fruit, and not Eve's, that brought the corruption of death to humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Adam was created to protect Eve! He wasn't doing his job! Due to him slacking off allowed Satan to get in the Garden and near Eve therefore tempting and harming her. That was/is the Sin of Adam! Edited April 13, 2009 by princessgianna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Adam's sin was his disobedience to God's command not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hm, I would not say that Adam ate the fruit out of love for Eve. Out of love for Eve, he would have encouraged her to confess her sin to God; also, Adam would have prayed for her and been there to support her. As a side note, what if Adam and Eve had had a child before the Fall? That child would be exempt from Original Sin, right? But what if that child, as an adult, married an individual who had Original Sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1833176' date='Apr 12 2009, 09:39 PM']Adam's sin was his disobedience to God's command not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.[/quote] I thought it was also his failure to protect Eve. Furthermore, Eve was told that her husband would have authority over her. This punishment is speculated to be a result of her assuming a role of authority and telling Adam what to do (eating the fruit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1833754' date='Apr 13 2009, 10:28 AM']I thought it was also his failure to protect Eve. Furthermore, Eve was told that her husband would have authority over her. This punishment is speculated to be a result of her assuming a role of authority and telling Adam what to do (eating the fruit).[/quote] Source? The plain reading of the text seems to say the sin was eating the fruit. God says Don't eat it - they did - the end. I understand Scott Hahn has had this take that it is a failure to protect Eve, but remember this is just his interpretation. Is there a Church source that agrees with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1833770' date='Apr 13 2009, 10:04 AM']Is there a Church source that agrees with this?[/quote] None that I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The sin was pride...the same sin committed by Lucifer when he fell. Genesis tells how God created two special trees in the center of the garden. One was the Tree of Life. The other was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Only the latter was forbidden. When Man was created, he had no knowledge of Good and Evil - he relied on God to tell him what was right and what was wrong. When the tempter came, he did not tempt Eve to eat an apple. He tempted her with power. Gen 3:4 - "...and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Adam was with her and was complicit in the sin. He failed in his role as head of the family to protect her from the deceiver and willfully joined her in seeking to be like God. The desire to know good from evil is not bad. The Bible states the tree was "a delight to the eyes" Gen 3:6. What is evil and a sin is the desire to choose for oneself what is good and evil, thereby cutting out God from the equation. This sin of pride continues to this day and presently manifests itself in the moral relativism enslaving our world. Quis ut Deus indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1833770' date='Apr 13 2009, 12:04 PM']Source? The plain reading of the text seems to say the sin was eating the fruit. God says Don't eat it - they did - the end. I understand Scott Hahn has had this take that it is a failure to protect Eve, but remember this is just his interpretation. Is there a Church source that agrees with this?[/quote] I would have to dig for it, but there was another thread that was either similar in topic or derailed a bit to discuss this, and a handful of Phatmass members mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1833770' date='Apr 13 2009, 12:04 PM']Source? The plain reading of the text seems to say the sin was eating the fruit. God says Don't eat it - they did - the end. I understand Scott Hahn has had this take that it is a failure to protect Eve, but remember this is just his interpretation. Is there a Church source that agrees with this?[/quote]So do you think Adam could have sat back and watch Eve, his wife, get abused because he didn’t have an obligation to protect her? I would like to assume your answer is no. But then again, that is just speculation too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1833875' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:00 PM']So do you think Adam could have sat back and watch Eve, his wife, get abused because he didn’t have an obligation to protect her? I would like to assume your answer is no. But then again, that is just speculation too?[/quote] I think you're right, its really is all speculation at that point. The text simply says God says don't eat it and they ate it. If you want to go into this Adam failed in his duty to protect Eve from sinning, then maybe... but like you said that calls for more speculation than what is there. Which isn't necessarily wrong, thats why I asked if anyone had a source on this. I'm pretty sure Scott Hahn has used similar reaonsing; at least in his book Lord have mercy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1833880' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:15 PM']I think you're right, its really is all speculation at that point. The text simply says God says don't eat it and they ate it. If you want to go into this Adam failed in his duty to protect Eve from sinning, then maybe... but like you said that calls for more speculation than what is there.[/quote] I think the speculation arises because Adam was no where in sight while Eve was being tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1833880' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:15 PM']I think you're right, its really is all speculation at that point. The text simply says God says don't eat it and they ate it. If you want to go into this Adam failed in his duty to protect Eve from sinning, then maybe... but like you said that calls for more speculation than what is there. Which isn't necessarily wrong, thats why I asked if anyone had a source on this. I'm pretty sure Scott Hahn has used similar reaonsing; at least in his book Lord have mercy?[/quote]Speculation about the answer to my question.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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