Nihil Obstat Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I didn't even like Cutner that much. I'm so sad. That was a harsh episode. In other news, who wants to talk about the morality of the surgery on the husband. Was it moral when he had two days to live? 20 years? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I love house, my not-so-secret dude crush. And no I don't think the surgery (not exactly sure what they were trying to do though) would have been ok in either case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1827325' date='Apr 6 2009, 11:30 PM']I love house, my not-so-secret dude crush. And no I don't think the surgery (not exactly sure what they were trying to do though) would have been ok in either case.[/quote] Here's a quick summary for anyone who wasn't clear. The man was dying, but had a good liver. The woman was dying, and had liver failure. A new liver would have bought them more time to diagnose her. The man was so weak from what they thought was lung and heart disease that he would die on the table doing a partial liver transplant. The plan was to start a partial liver transplant, have him die on the table, then take the whole liver and give it to his wife. At this point, the prognosis for the man was no more than two days to live. His wife was entirely uncertain. Of course, it changed when they realized that his disease was 100% curable and he still wanted to go through with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 sounds like there MIGHT be a cause to say double effect applies here... MIGHT being the operative word, but I dunno. because they are not killing him by taking out his liver, he is dying as a secondary result of the procedure... hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1827385' date='Apr 7 2009, 12:12 AM']sounds like there MIGHT be a cause to say double effect applies here... MIGHT being the operative word, but I dunno. because they are not killing him by taking out his liver, he is dying as a secondary result of the procedure... hmm..[/quote] Yea... When I heard what they were doing that's the first thing my mind jumped to "can this compare?" I guess part of it is whether or not it's the surgery as a whole that kills him, or the removing of part of the liver. I believe the general thought was that an invasive surgery like that left him zero chance of living. Part of what's uncomfortable in this situation as well is that part of the liver was worthless to them. It wouldn't have helped the wife. They actually needed the husband to die so that they could take the whole thing, and they knew this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I have a love hate relationship with House. The show gets worse as time goes on though. And I do get sick of the SSA/sexual immorality jokes and lifestyles of the shows characters. Greg House though is one of tv's best characters. I also get tired of the abortion themes in some episodes. It's frustrating, so much to love about the show and so much to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 they always have House be in favor of abortion and stuff, but if I recall correctly it seems to me that there was at least one occasion where a woman who refused to allow him to do it to save her life was kind of vindicated? I don't remember, but I thought I remembered an abortion episode that was surprisingly good... maybe I just remember how I wanted it to end though, i dunno lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilde Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 There was one time there was a woman who studied religion, and she refused to have an abortion. There was discussing between House and her about religion and abortion. She ended up having one in the end, I was so disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 He does at one point admit abortion is murder, but tells his patient to have one anyway. She is more important than her baby to house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1827937' date='Apr 7 2009, 04:23 PM']He does at one point admit abortion is murder, but tells his patient to have one anyway. She is more important than her baby to house.[/quote] It's in keeping with his character. It's a double-edged sword though. If he were convinced to believe in God, he'd be........ unstoppable. If he were convinced, it would be for extremely strong reasons, and he'd never back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1827253' date='Apr 7 2009, 01:03 AM']I didn't even like Cutner that much. I'm so sad. That was a harsh episode.[/quote] Kal Penn wanted out of his contract so he asked the producers to kill off his character. He was offered a position as the associate director in the White House office of public liaison. Since the producers of House hate Obama, they had Cutner killed off suicide style. Needless to say, he was quite surprised and somewhat irritated they killed him off that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 [quote name='Moosey' post='1830153' date='Apr 9 2009, 04:52 PM']Kal Penn wanted out of his contract so he asked the producers to kill off his character. He was offered a position as the associate director in the White House office of public liaison. Since the producers of House hate Obama, they had Cutner killed off suicide style. Needless to say, he was quite surprised and somewhat irritated they killed him off that way.[/quote] Shush shush. It's more dramatic if I don't think about the behind-the-scenes reasoning. Why do the producers hate Obama? Just because it's Fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Oops, sorry about that. I have no idea why they hate Obama. Maybe because they don't have the wool over their eyes and they see how much of a doofus he really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 see what i mean about a love hate relationship? Now House just went up a notch in my book. It's like House's point system with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) I have to resurrect this thread because I saw a rerun of House just tonight, and it had a fairly strong pro-life message; I was surprised. Lady comes in pregnant, they decide the baby is causing all the problems. House wants to terminate, the Mom refuses, even when she starts circling the drain. Throughout the episode, House calls it a fetus, and corrects anyone who calls it a baby. (The rest of the staff uses the terms interchangeably) At one point Cameron says "What, your semantics make youl feel better, so you can just pretend it's not a person?" House says it's not a baby, "it's a tumor." During one of the differentials, House says "how would we treat it if it was a person?" And Cuddy says "it is a person!" They do one of those super-sensitive ultrasounds and show the face of the baby on the screen. Eventually they do fetal surgery, opening up the womb and operating on the baby while it's still connected to the cord. During the surgery, the baby reaches up and grasps House's finger. He strokes the baby's hand with his thumb. Anyway, Mom and baby live. While speaking to the Mom before she's discharged, House calls it a "baby" for the first time. Mom makes note of this, so the audience can't miss it. There's a scene at the end that shows the Mom hanging up pictures of the doctors who saved them in the nursery and then going over to pick up and cradle her newborn baby. The final scene is House laying on his couch staring thoughtfully at his fingers, rubbing them together like when the baby was holding on to him. So ... a pretty strong pro-life message, I think. Really quite uplifting. Made my night. Edited April 27, 2009 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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