Oliver Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Its all booked, im going to medjugorje with my family for easter weekend, we arrive on thursday and on leave on monday. Im actually pretty excited. Has anyone else gone to it before? Edited April 4, 2009 by Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 no I havent, yet I think it is a place where a true private revelation occurred, and a place of pilgrimage and grace and conversion. I think you are very fortunate to be there next weekend. I would only recommend that if you are planning on going to confession you might want to go before you arrive there since the lines might be quite long. Other than that grace and peace to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 [quote name='Oliver' post='1824028' date='Apr 3 2009, 08:17 PM']Its all booked, im going to medjugorje with my family for easter weekend, we arrive on thursday and on leave on monday. Im actually pretty excited. Has anyone else gone to it before?[/quote] +J.M.J.+ why are you going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I thought the Vatican had pretty much stopped pilgrimages there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ahhhh time for some old fashioned pot stirring ... :cracks knuckles: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1824161' date='Apr 4 2009, 12:38 AM']I thought the Vatican had pretty much stopped pilgrimages there.[/quote] not exactly. the Vatican stopped formal pilgrimages of parishes; private pilgrimages of individual laymen or even private pilgrimages of priests are permitted. [quote]Finally, as regards pilgrimages to Medjugorje, which are conducted privately, this Congregation points out that they are permitted on condition that they are not regarded as an authentification of events still taking place and which still call for an examination by the Church.[/quote] -Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, CDF, 1996 [quote]Bishop Peric told the congregation that because the church did not accept the claims of the visionaries it was illicit for priests to "express their private views contrary to the official position" during Mass, in acts of popular piety or in the Catholic media. He said Catholics were forbidden from making pilgrimages to Medjugorje if by such visits "they presuppose the authenticity of the apparitions or if by undertaking them attempt to certify these apparitions." (2006)[/quote] [url="http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0603838.htm"]http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0603838.htm[/url] yes, I totally just half defended and half criticized Medjugorje here... I personally agree with the local bishop (though that was 2006, I don't know if there's anything more recent, I tend to stay away from pro Medjugorje sites and I can't seem to google any legitimate news agency's story about it without getting a bunch of those. anyway, a private pilgrimage is ok, but should not be undertaken on the pre-supposition of the veracity of the apparitions; it can be taken on a belief in the holiness of the site and of that which is often experienced there by people, and you can certainly believe in the apparitions... it's basically just saying "don't put all your certitude in this"... but by all means, experience the many good aspects of what is going on there (which is, in my opinion, all the rosaries and confessions and contemplation and prayer and simply the experience of coming together with other pilgrims in the faith; not necessarily the unverified apparitions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I think these private revelations are true and God will eventually (perhaps very soon) make clear the whole purpose of Medjogorje. And it seems to me these will eventually lead some Bishops, priests, and laity to shame. I havent read many of the personal messages revealed to Mirjana by way of the Blessed Virgin yet I read the April 2nd message and it was a bit stark: Message through Mirjana - April 2, 2009 “Dear children, God's love is in my words. My children, that is the love which desires to turn you to justice and truth. That is the love which desires to save you from delusion. And what about you, my children? Your hearts remain closed; they are hard and do not respond to my calls. They are insincere. With a motherly love I am praying for you, because I desire for all of you to resurrect in my Son. Thank you. ” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 not believing in these specific visions does not equal not taking her words to heart. one can fully take her message to heart through Fatima, or else, one can fully take her message to heart without any reference to any private apparition whatsoever. these bishops will not be "put to shame" as you say. If the Church accepts the apparitions as valid, then these bishops will say "okay, the Church says there is nothing against the faith in these apparitions and that it is reasonable to believe that there was a supernatural occurrence there" HOWEVER, no one will be required to believe that there was such an occurrence. ever. it is impossible for the Church to require such a thing. a faithful Catholic need not even believe the apparition at Fatima or Guadeloupe to be true, only that its message is not contradictory to the faith. these bishops have done their jobs as pastors of souls. it is their job to be skeptical and discerning of all spirits and to eventually only hold on to those which prove to be true. they have done what Jesus Christ set them up to do. any spirit of dissent against their authority to guard souls against potentially deceptive or damaging messages is of the devil and not of Our Blessed Mother. Our Blessed Mother would never want you to harbor any thoughts of bishops of the Church performing their Christ-given mission to guard souls from the potential for deception being "put to shame". They have done nothing wrong, and the Church will never ever say that one must hold these visions to be true. The full and complete deposit of faith was delivered by Jesus Christ to the Apostles and carried down through the bishops, and it is that and that alone which is sufficient for us as Catholics. anything in addition which helps us must be discerned by the legitimate authorities and then considered supplemental to the faith for those who do believe it, but never necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 [quote name='Oliver' post='1824028' date='Apr 3 2009, 10:17 PM']Its all booked, im going to medjugorje with my family for easter weekend, we arrive on thursday and on leave on monday. Im actually pretty excited. Has anyone else gone to it before?[/quote] I've been there. You should be excited. Its a very cool trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 anyway, again, I reiterate, good for you, original poster, and I hope you have a very faith-filled experience that leads you deeper into the mysteries of the faith and strengthens your spiritual life. we shouldn't pollute your thread with such arguments, sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Fair enough Al. Apparently you know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 sorry if I seemed like I was trying to bash something down on you, man, honestly, I am not trying to be contentious about this (or at least trying not to be contentious, if you catch the subtlety of the difference in those two wordings)... I just wanted to defend the bishop because he has a huge responsibility to be cautious approaching things like this. imagine if some 'apparition' went on for a very long time saying very good and holy things until finally the Catholic Church officially backed it, and then all of the sudden the 'apparition' started saying terrible wicked things... the Church would have bound herself to that and muddied herself with it... it would damage the faith greatly. so the Church is cautious about the apparition, but I do not mean to take away from the very great faith experience the original poster will likely have on this private pilgrimage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 and it was me that brought the thread back on topic wow I miss smoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Maybe Al should become a bishop, or the pope for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pilgrim2000 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Go! Go skeptic Go curious Go certain Go uncertain Go for self Go for another Go hurt Go angry Go peaceful Go joyful Go tired Go energised Go cautious Go sure Go blind Go crawling Go running Just go! And pack an open mind and heart. It’s your journey, your life, your pilgrimage. Come back a butterfly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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