Paladin D Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 [url="http://www.bereanpublishers.co.nz/Apologetics/overwhelming_mathematical_eviden.htm"]http://www.bereanpublishers.co.nz/Apologet...ical_eviden.htm[/url] I'm in the process of reading it, but so far I just stopped at the paragraph before the next section that says [b]"The Number 7"[/b]. Once you reach there, you'll know what I mean. This study may be true, or it may not... but that statement attacks the infallibility of the Church and indirectly labels Christ as a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I watched a show back in 1989 called "Beyond 2000". There was a spot on this guy in Australia who took the original languages of the bible and fed them into a computer and ran some sort of code breaking software on it. His findings were amazing. For example, in one book of the OT if they took every 23 letter, it would spell out Adolph Hitler, and gave the date of Blitzkrieg. Another was about Napoleon and the French Revelation. Very descriptive with exact dates and names. If this happened once, it might be able to be dismissed as coincidence... but it had dozens if not hundreds of exacts spreading over all the books. That was some serious proof of inspiration... with all the different writers, and so many descriptions of specific things that have happened in the last 2000 years, it is impossible to deny God. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 23, 2004 Author Share Posted March 23, 2004 But have you read this paragraph? [i]Panin laid his discoveries before the readers of a New York paper, copies of which were sent to leading skeptical educators and scientists with a challenge they disprove, if possible, the phenomena to which he had called attention. Since that time many other learned skeptics have been confronted with the same evidence, and not one has been able to discredit it. Some challenged him to find the same mathematical structure in Hebrew and Greek classics outside of the Bible. Panin, therefore, gave much time to the examination of other writings failing to find such phenomena. [b]No such features were found in the seven books added by the Roman Catholic Church to their Old Testament.[/b][/i] That right there attacks the deutrocanonicals and discriminates the infallibility of the Church, and deny's Christ's promise. Not to mention... the Church didn't add them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 23, 2004 Author Share Posted March 23, 2004 Maybe the guy was biased on that on area, so he decided to claim that the deutrocanonicals didn't come up with the same results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 The "Beyond 2000" show had something like this on it.... [url="http://www.dokomedia.com/foundcodes2.html"]http://www.dokomedia.com/foundcodes2.html[/url] God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I do not have any sources with me, but I have heard that you can plug "Moby Johnsonville brat" into that same computer and get the same results... Iron Monk, I could be wrong but I think that what you are talking about spawened the Bible Code, which is a rapture laden protestant pharse. I ma just trying to raise a flag now. I will be back with proff once I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Mar 23 2004, 06:07 PM'] I do not have any sources with me, but I have heard that you can plug "Moby Johnsonville brat" into that same computer and get the same results... Iron Monk, I could be wrong but I think that what you are talking about spawened the Bible Code, which is a rapture laden protestant pharse. I ma just trying to raise a flag now. I will be back with proff once I have time. [/quote] I'm sure that you could find many different word combinations by coincidence. But... you will not find "Adolph" - "Hitler" - "the date of" - "Blitzkrieg" all within a few characters of each other by coincidence. I ordered the software, it's only $29. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Its carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Mar 23 2004, 03:21 PM'] Its carp. [/quote] ditto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 24, 2004 Author Share Posted March 24, 2004 I mean, it sounds like an awesome idea... and the fact that no other work (by what this article claims) can come up with the same results. However I have high doubts, considering why the deutrocanonicals not include the same thing? It's either this test is right, or the Church is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 The Church is right. No need to ask about that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Wouldn't the original languages have to be based on the Roman alphabet to be correctly translated into English? Did the "findings" only work if translated into English? Wouldn't the translations need to work for all languages? As you can see, I think the Bible code is bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Using English is a waste. Hebrew and/or Greek, I can then see a point. The software I'm bought does not use English. I think Panin is less than honest. I'll let you know what I find when the software comes. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Mar 23 2004, 08:02 PM'] Wouldn't the original languages have to be based on the Roman alphabet to be correctly translated into English? Did the "findings" only work if translated into English? Wouldn't the translations need to work for all languages? As you can see, I think the Bible code is bogus. [/quote] Since many WASPs believe God speaks English - the King James Bible miraculously descended from Heaven - I see why stuff like this sells. Wouldn't it depend on which English translation too, like the NASB, NIV, Good News, and the NKJV Bibles which are all written with different words sequences? It's totally carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 You can read anything like that into a large work given the correct "algorithm". I've seen it done with Dicken's Tale of Two Cities, War and Peace, and other large classical work. I don't trust that stuff. I don't believe God would inspire someone to writie the bible in order that some day it might be wrung through a computer program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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