Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church

[ironmonk]

Interesting stuff... Brought to my attention by TWF....

[url="http://www.cired.org/"]http://www.cired.org/[/url]

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14413a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14413a.htm[/url]


non-Catholics could learn quite a bit from this.

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited March 23, 2004 by ironmonk

[master_alterserver]

I like the sites. I nowhere found that this church is in communion with the pope though. Is it in communion with the hierarchy or is it just another protestant faith?

[p0lar_bear]

It would probably be an Eastern Orthodox Church. While the Orthodox churches are not in communion with Rome, they do not fall under the traditional meaning of Protestant. Their bishops, patriarchs, and sacraments are valid. Most of the Eastern Catholic Churches were Churches like this that were brought into communion with Rome.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='master_alterserver' date='Mar 24 2004, 08:46 AM'] I like the sites. I nowhere found that this church is in communion with the pope though. Is it in communion with the hierarchy or is it just another protestant faith? [/quote]
It is in schism and has been since about 380 AD, but is Catholic. It has one of the Patriarchs.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Bruce S]

It was said that "non Catholics" could LEARN from them, I agree, AND likewise, Catholics too can and should learn from them.

On church organization:

[quote]. . How is it  organized?

The Church of the East is governed [b]according to the Apostolic model of bishops, presbyters, and  deacons.[/b][/quote]

Agreed. Totally.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 24 2004, 10:48 AM'] It was said that "non Catholics" could LEARN from them, I agree, AND likewise, Catholics too can and should learn from them.

On church organization:



Agreed. Totally. [/quote]
They believe in almost everything that we believe in Bruce.

protestantism looks nothing like them.

They were wrong for schism... because they broke away from the Chair of Peter, as the Apostles preached against. Just as most of the first Christians preached against, except those that left.

Read Acts 20:30-31

Those in schism are wrong to be in schism. They hold most of what Christ taught, but not all.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Bruce S]

Iron Maiden:

[quote]Acts 20
30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.[/quote]

Are you aware that is the VERY passage Protestants use against Catholics on THEIR sites?

Ironic ... huh?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 24 2004, 02:44 PM'] Iron Maiden:



Are you aware that is the VERY passage Protestants use against Catholics on THEIR sites?

Ironic ... huh? [/quote]
Ironic? I would have chosen a different word such as lame.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 24 2004, 04:44 PM'] Iron Maiden:



Are you aware that is the VERY passage Protestants use against Catholics on THEIR sites?

Ironic ... huh? [/quote]
God Bless you bruce. Sometimes I wonder if you ever read the bible.


NAB:
[b]Acts 20:30 [/b][u][b]And from your own group, men will come forward [/b][/u]perverting the truth [u][b]to draw the disciples away after them[/b][/u].
[b]31 [/b] So be vigilant and remember that for three years, night and day, I unceasingly admonished each of you with tears.


Douay-Rhiems:
[b]Acts 20:30[/b]
and [u][b]from among your own selves shall rise up[/b][/u] men speaking perverted things to [b][u]draw away the disciples after them[/u][/b].
[b]31 [/b]Wherefore watch, remembering that for three years, night and day, I ceased not admonishing each one [of you] with tears.


kjv:
[b]Acts 20:30[/b]
[u][b]Also of your own selves shall men arise, [/b][/u] speaking perverse things, [u][b]to draw away disciples after them[/b][/u].
[b]31[/b]Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.





The funny thing is that they condemn theirselves. Read it. The ones who rise up and leave the group are the ones who pervert the Truth. The Catholic Church did not come out of the protestant, the protestant founders rose up out of the Catholic Church to draw true disciples away after them.

"From" or "Of your" then "draw away" should tell you something bruce. People who leave the Church are being drawn out of the truth. These verses do not say that the truth will leave the Church, quite the opposite. Just as Jesus promised, the Spirit of Truth will always guide the Church. If you are not in the Church established by Christ, then you are not in the only place with the whole Truth.

God Bless,
iron[b]monk[/b]

[ironmonk]

[quote]Iron Maiden:[/quote]


Just one more thing bruce...

I understand it must make you frustrated to always be proven wrong, but taking 'it' out on trying to insult me by vandalizing my nickname does not help your creditability.

If you would like some brotherly help in learning to learn your Christian studies, please don't hesitate to ask any of us here. We want to see you come to Christ, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. It is a free gift.

God Bless, and May Mother Mary pray for you,
ironmonk

Edited March 24, 2004 by ironmonk

[Bruce S]

Iron Maiden:

To be COMPLETELY accurate here, these passages deal with the Judaizers, and the Doecetics [Gnostics] of that day.

We all, on both sides, just EXTRAPOLATE these passages and try to use them nowadays to fit our own agendas.

[PS, I do read my bible, crayon in hand, I like the one with the little pictures in it, since I'm not a good redure.]

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 24 2004, 06:06 PM'] Iron Maiden:

To be COMPLETELY accurate here, these passages deal with the Judaizers, and the Doecetics [Gnostics] of that day.

We all, on both sides, just EXTRAPOLATE these passages and try to use them nowadays to fit our own agendas.

[PS, I do read my bible, crayon in hand, I like the one with the little pictures in it, since I'm not a good redure.] [/quote]
God Bless.

Are you infallible?

Then how do you know what they mean?

Do you read the first Christian writings that explain the bible passages from before 500 AD?

Do you listen to the Pillar and Foundation of Truth built by Christ?

They count for any group that leaves the Church.

[b]Eph 4:1 [/b] I, then, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live in a manner worthy of the call you have received,
[b]2 [/b]with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another through love,
[b]3 [/b]striving to [u][b]preserve the uni[/b][/u]ty of the spirit through the bond of peace:
[b]4 [/b] one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call;
[b]5 [/b]one Lord, [u][b]one faith[/b][/u], one baptism;
[b]6 [/b]one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


One Faith = One Church

Never to be overcome. Always to be guided by God. To speak for God.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Crusader_4]

Interesting thing i heard the other day i believe it was about the Malabar Rite (correct me if i am wrong)..i dont know completly how factual it is but i did some research after someone told me this and found it seemed to fit the facts. That after St. Thomas envagelized India a afterwards as history points out the East lost contact with the West. So when Western Catholic sailors and missionaries found India they found an existent Church that was exactly the same as the beliefs they had back in Europe i.e. Priesthood, Tradition, Eucharist...etc. The Church structure was a little different parishes and whatever but there was bishop and Apostolic Succession they could be traced back to St. Thomas and today this rite is in communion with Rome. I thought it was interesting to show how the Church actually taught what the Apostles have taught.

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='Crusader_4' date='Mar 24 2004, 10:32 PM'] Interesting thing i heard the other day i believe it was about the Malabar Rite (correct me if i am wrong)..i dont know completly how factual it is but i did some research after someone told me this and found it seemed to fit the facts. That after St. Thomas envagelized India a afterwards as history points out the East lost contact with the West. So when Western Catholic sailors and missionaries found India they found an existent Church that was exactly the same as the beliefs they had back in Europe i.e. Priesthood, Tradition, Eucharist...etc. The Church structure was a little different parishes and whatever but there was bishop and Apostolic Succession they could be traced back to St. Thomas and today this rite is in communion with Rome. I thought it was interesting to show how the Church actually taught what the Apostles have taught. [/quote]
This is absolutly right! The Ethiopian Orthodox Church in Ethiopia and Eritrea are exactly the same way - from the Church begun by St. Phillip the Apostle and the Ethiopian eunich convert from the Bible. They had no contact with Rome and the East and yet they have a Patriarchal structure, Communion of Saints, 7 Sacraments, belief in the Real Presence, a Holy Priesthood, and everything else found in the Latin and Byzantine Rites. The ones who have joined the Roman Catholic fold recently are known as the Ge'ez Rite Catholics, and they have retained their own Divine Liturgy and traditions. I don't understand why the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christians are never talked about by Protestants, like the Latin Rite (Roman Church) just made everything up. There is sooo much evidence pointing to the validity and the fullness of Christian identitly found in the Ancient Christian Churches founded by the Holy Apostles.