Putting That In My Pipe And Smoking It?

[Lounge Daddy]

I just bookmarked the article that C'Mom linked to.

[Nihil Obstat]

Lol, coffee grounds in a pipe would be interesting.

Or espresso.

[Didymus]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1816720' date='Mar 25 2009, 11:50 PM']When I was in high school, I stuck a wad of coffee in my lip. "Dipping" coffee gave me a huge caffeine buzz. As I recall, it was like drinking half a pot of coffee in one sitting.

Never did it again though. It made my heart race like crazy. But that would be an alternative to tobacco.[/quote]


NICE!! was this just ground beans or instant?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1816741' date='Mar 26 2009, 12:10 AM']NICE!! was this just ground beans or instant?[/quote]
Gosh I cannot remember. hehe, it actually could well have been instant.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1815406' date='Mar 24 2009, 07:07 AM']He used to poo in a bucket in his dorm room. I think a pipe is an improvement. [/quote]

[Aloysius]

I think everyone needs a refresher course in WHY that was done, to prove an academic point about the concept of humanure: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanure"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanure[/url]

the COMPOST, which included many things including 'humanure', was completely sanitary, and it was used, it was true recycling. and I got an A in the class for it.

now let it be spoken of no more! this is about smoking new and awesome things...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1816809' date='Mar 26 2009, 01:41 AM']I think everyone needs a refresher course in WHY that was done, to prove an academic point about the concept of humanure: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanure"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanure[/url]

the COMPOST, which included many things including 'humanure', was completely sanitary, and it was used, it was true recycling. and I got an A in the class for it.

now let it be spoken of no more! this is about smoking new and awesome things...[/quote]


Just don't smoke humanure... seriously. (I had to say that. I will speak of it no more... probably.)

[Ziggamafu]

I'm curious if anyone here knows how carcinogens are measured? If anyone does, my next question is if there are comparisons of the carcinogen levels of various common foods as compared to tobacco?

[url="http://www.michigandaily.com/content/scientists-study-carcinogen-levels-everyday-food"]For instance...[/url]

[url="http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/122937.php"]...and no more McChickens?[/url]

Finally, I'm especially curious about how the filtration process of a hookah affects the carcinogen levels of various smokes (and if various teas are inherently less harmful than tobacco)?

[HisChildForever]

Anyone who thinks that Hookah is a safe alternative to cigarettes should read this article:

[quote]Although many believe that the water in the hookah filters out all the "bad stuff" in the tobacco smoke, this isn't true. [b]According to a World Health Organization advisory, a typical one-hour session of hookah smoking exposes the user to 100 to 200 times the volume of smoke inhaled from a single cigarette.[/b] Even after passing through water, tobacco smoke still contains high levels of toxic compounds, including carbon monoxide, heavy metals and cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens). Hookah smoking also delivers significant levels of nicotine — the addictive substance in tobacco.[/quote]

[url="http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hookah/AN01265"]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hookah/AN01265[/url]

[b]Cigar And Pipe Smoking Are As Dangerous As Cigarettes To Periodontal Health:[/b]

[url="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/01/010105080116.htm"]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/...10105080116.htm[/url]

Edited March 26, 2009 by HisChildForever

[Aloysius]

that study on hookah smoking is extremely misleading. This is the only study to date to look at the issue of hookah and cancer issues:

[url="http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19"]http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19[/url]

[quote]We have recently published some work on CEA [carcinoembryonic antigen] levels in hookah (also called narghile, shisha elsewhere) and cigarette smokers. Hookah smokers had higher levels of CEA than non-smokers although [b]mean levels were low compared to cigarette smokers.[/b] However some of them were also users of other tobacco products (cigarettes, bidis, etc.).[/quote]

[quote]The overall CEA levels in exclusive hookah smokers (mean: 3.58 ± 2.61 ng/ml; n = 59) were not significantly different (p ≤ 0.0937) from the levels in non-smokers (2.35 ± 0.71 ng/ml). Mean levels in light, medium and heavy smokers were: 1.06 ± 0.492 ng/ml (n = 5); 2.52 ± 1.15 ng/ml (n = 28) and 5.11 ± 3.08 ng/ml (n = 26) respectively. The levels in medium smokers and non-smokers were also not significantly different (p ≤ 0.9138). In heavy smokers, the CEA levels were significantly higher than in non-smokers (p ≤ 0.0001567).[/quote]

'getting the same amount of smoke' doesn't mean getting the same problems. no tar is added to the shisha, and tar levels are very low due to the way the shisha is heated rather than directly burned and how it is filtered through water. the amount of smoke may be comparable, but the type of smoke is significantly different, and this study showed much less problems.

as regards pipe and cigar smoking: again, show me a study which singles out [b]moderate[/b] pipe and/or cigar smoking of [b]non-inhalers[/b]. but anyway, yes, I recognize that there are health risks mainly for the mouth, including teeth; I have some special tobacco-geared mouth wash (claims to remove tar from teeth) myself and only smoke moderately... and then again, there seem to be no studies I know of about herbal smoke from pipes (which is the real topic of this thread)

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1816924' date='Mar 26 2009, 10:52 AM']that study on hookah smoking is extremely misleading. This is the only study to date to look at the issue of hookah and cancer issues:

[url="http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19"]http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19[/url]





'getting the same amount of smoke' doesn't mean getting the same problems. no tar is added to the shisha, and tar levels are very low due to the way the shisha is heated rather than directly burned and how it is filtered through water. the amount of smoke may be comparable, but the type of smoke is significantly different, and this study showed much less problems.

as regards pipe and cigar smoking: again, show me a study which singles out [b]moderate[/b] pipe and/or cigar smoking of [b]non-inhalers[/b]. but anyway, yes, I recognize that there are health risks mainly for the mouth, including teeth; I have some special tobacco-geared mouth wash (claims to remove tar from teeth) myself and only smoke moderately... and then again, there seem to be no studies I know of about herbal smoke from pipes (which is the real topic of this thread)[/quote]


I enjoy fine cigars about twice a month, usually two per setting. I could be wrong - I've never done the research - but it seems to me that puffing on a cigar (absolutely no cigar enthusiast would dream of inhaling) could not be much worse than the consumption of a flame-grilled steak. I am also under the impression that, while the prevalence of smoking in society has decreased over the past century, the prevalence of cancer has increased. This leads me to believe that there are other, more serious contributions to the degradation of health. I don't think that cigar / pipe puffing is nearly as bad as it is made out to be...but again, I've never done hard research on the topic.

Edit: Also, I'm with Al in questioning whether or not the studies of cigar smoke in comparison to cigarettes bother to consider the fact that cigarettes are inhaled while cigars are merely puffed; I suppose what I'm getting at is the question of how bad - [b][i][u]in comparison to[/u] other more frequent exposures to carcinogens[/i][/b] - the smoke is for the mouth, in moderation?

Edited March 26, 2009 by Ziggamafu

[Hilde]

Well, this is all new to me.