TotusTuusMaria Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1804500' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:16 AM']We wouldn't expect you to understand. You have cooties.[/quote] no seriously, and he told my friend that he would get "beat" at a certain stage and that it was "symbollic" ... weird. he was serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1804491' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:07 AM']Oh, I don't know, a society of men adamant about keeping women out of their club... Just kidding. [/quote] And the frilly costumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1804532' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:46 AM'] And the frilly costumes [/quote] you only get to wear those if you are 4th degree, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804537' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:49 AM']you only get to wear those if you are 4th degree, I think.[/quote] I know someone who does. He's a really devout Catholic, really involved with LifeTeen and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804529' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:45 AM']no seriously, and he told my friend that he would get "beat" at a certain stage and that it was "symbollic" ... weird. he was serious.[/quote] Try to find the thread "Knights of Columbus" (are you one?). That bracketed part is the tagline. I believe some wise soul explained the secrecy behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Hassan' post='1804540' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:51 AM']I know someone who does. He's a really devout Catholic, really involved with LifeTeen and such[/quote] yeah this koc is very good too and is 4th degree.... idk... It was just very odd what he told my friend and I about what my friend is going to have to go through... very odd. Edited March 12, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1804541' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:51 AM']Try to find the thread "Knights of Columbus" (are you one?). That bracketed part is the tagline. I believe some wise soul explained the secrecy behind it.[/quote] what about the beating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804543' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:53 AM']what about the beating?[/quote] Maybe there's a missing link in communication somewhere between the fourth degree knights, your friend, and you? I mean cmon, this is a mainstream Catholic fraternity we're talking about. Not even 'mysterious' like Opus Dei is supposed to be. I'll bet if you Googled it, you could find some disgruntled ex-Catholic Knight who reveals all the 'mysterious' secret rituals. Or maybe not, because maybe they're really not that spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 there was no miss communication. it is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804309' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:28 AM']My great-grandfather was a Mason We had to get rid of all his mason stuff... pictures and hats and stuff. I was at dinner the other night with some friends. One of them is a much older guy and he looks up and says, "I am 33rd degree Mason." He is Catholic. I was shocked He is a fourth degree KOC and he said he joined them originally to find out how similar they are to the KOC. He said there are a lot of similarities (which made me want to ask "how did that happen"), but he said after the 3rd degree in Mason it becomes very anti-Catholic. They have plays and all where the members dress up as bishops and do and say stupid things and what-not. He wouldn't say more because he said he swore secrecy. I told him he could be excommunicated for being a Mason. He said there was a time in the Church in the early 80s where everyone was told you could be a Mason "if you knew what you were doing." He isn't a mason any longer (so he says) but he kind of told the story like "once a mason always a mason," despite that he doesn't attend their meetings and events. Anyway... made me very cautioned about the Knights now too... it is so weird. One of my younger friends is entering them and the initiation or whatever is all very hush-hush.... it just doesn't seem good.[/quote] The KoC were created as an alternative to the Masons because many Catholic men were attracted to masonry due to the social benefits, such as having life insurance to provide for their families should they be injured or die (remember a lot men worked in factory and construction occupations, and safety wasn't always a top concern). While I believe the KoC are in some ways a secret society in that certain ceremonies aren't open to the public, the major difference is the KoC are centered around Christ and the Catholic Church where the Masons are centered around... um... God, the Great Architect, or whoever you conceive God to be in your mind. Also, I highly doubt the KoC involves taking any kind of blood oath, which masonry does, even though they say it's only for the purpose of carrying on a tradition. There's also a secret society in the Boy Scouts that includes an iniatiation ceremony similar to what the masons do. You're whispered some secret word that only the members get to know, they walk you out to some bonfire, and after that you get to sleep in the woods out under the stars in your sleeping bag. Several of my friends joined, but we were never involved beyong the initiation... we could do the Eagle Scout thing, but beyond that was askin' too much of our dignity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804529' date='Mar 12 2009, 02:45 AM']no seriously, and he told my friend that he would get "beat" at a certain stage and that it was "symbollic" ... weird. he was serious.[/quote] There's a similar thing in the Masons... they do a pin prick against your chest. Just enough to hurt and doesn't draw blood. It symbolizes that brother Masons are responsible for carrying out the sworn punishment against you should you reveal any secrets for the society. For the KoC, it's probably a different symbolism, but needless to say, they aren't going to hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1804663' date='Mar 12 2009, 09:20 AM']... There's also a secret society in the Boy Scouts that includes an iniatiation ceremony similar to what the masons do. You're whispered some secret word that only the members get to know, they walk you out to some bonfire, and after that you get to sleep in the woods out under the stars in your sleeping bag. Several of my friends joined, but we were never involved beyong the initiation... we could do the Eagle Scout thing, but beyond that was askin' too much of our dignity [/quote] Order of the Arrow. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/john+powell/track/jasons+theme"]John Powell - Jason's Theme[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Cat Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) [center][img]http://www.sageventure.com/navajo98/brotherx.gif[/img] Brotherhood[/center]“[i]Technically[/i]” the Order of the Arrow is not a secret society but is [b]practically[/b], because the secrecy concerning it is primarily from tradition, honor, and culture; [u]thus expectations of those initiated is enough to classify it “practically” as a secret society[/u]. But the Order of the Arrow is quite honestly a magnificent program, undoubtedly why it is called the honor program of the Boy Scouts of America. [i]Because of personal and family problems, I was unable to get the Eagle Honor[/i] , but honestly the Boy Scouts of America and the Order of the Arrow offer a lot to a person regardless of age or [i]gender[/i] . I know of girls who loved the Boy Scouts of America in the [b][color="#006400"]Venturing Program[/color][/b]. It truly is the adventure of a lifetime, and anyone who has been Philmont, it is a memory that lasts forever. Most young boys in the Boy Scouts of the America are “[i]called-out[/i]” and later go through the “[i]ordeal[/i]” into the Order of the Arrow. But I find most of them are clueless concerning the ceremonies, ideals, and the honor program they were initiated into. Keep in mind I sealed my Brotherhood in the Order of the Arrow and served as "Order of the Arrow Representative" for my Troop for at least four to five years. [i]From what I understand[/i], the Church’s primary objection to the Free Masons, [i]which apparently there are others[/i], but the primary objection [i]as I understand it[/i] is the Free Masons’ warped conceptions of “[i][u]religious liberty[/u][/i]”. Not necessarily that it is a “[i]secret organization[/i]”. But it is still grave matter, [u]thus can be mortal sin[/u], for a Catholic join the “[i]Free Masons[/i]” and such Catholics are [u]subject to the automatic excommunication[/u] from the Church for such. Catholics are commanded by the Church to avoid the “[i]Free Masons[/i]” for the good of their souls. One cannot remain in good standings with the Church as a Catholic and be a “[i]Free Mason[/i]”. Thus a Catholic in such a position mentioned [i]earlier[/i], should seek to first amend their lives and reconcile themselves to the Church ([i]namely through the [b]Sacrament of Pennance[/b][/i]), any valid and licit confessor Priest can absolve this automatic excommunication, before approaching any of the Sacraments ([i]namely the [b]Sacrament of Holy Communion[/b][/i]). If any such mentioned Catholics approach any of the Sacraments [b]without[/b] amendment of their lives, namely the Sacraments of the Living such as Holy Communion, they risk sacrilege which being grave matter, can be an additional mortal sin. [u]But they are still required to hear the Holy Mass on Sundays and Holy Days[/u], and to continue in their personal prayers and duities. Edited March 12, 2009 by Mr.CatholicCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Yeah, I wasn't cut out for that Order of the Arrow bidness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1804550' date='Mar 12 2009, 01:00 AM']there was no miss communication. it is weird.[/quote] i don't think he understood it--with going into detail, i've witnessed a confused fellow knight before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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