Who Is Guilty Of "hatecrime Speech" Nowadays?

[Bruce S]

Since the Passion of the Christ is on everyone's minds now, and I have been INTIMATELY following this movie for over a solid year now [even almost being tossed off this site earlier for alluding to Jewish hate of Christianity...] anyway, here is a most interesting story.

Have any Jews ever showed up on this site, in the nine months I have been reading, I don't recall ever seeing one here.

Anyway, take a look at this story, and if anyone wants to comment upon it.

[quote]Mel Gibson’s movie The Passion of the Christ has been greeted by some remarkable expressions of hatred for Christianity — all in the name of fighting anti-Semitism, of course. By now it would take a whole book to deal with them thoroughly, but the prize for venom goes to columnist William Safire of the New York Times, who blames the Holocaust on Christ.
After the standard rundown of the Gospels, medieval Passion plays, and the “sadism” of Gibson’s film, Safire quotes Christ himself in Matthew 10:34: “I have come to bring not peace, but a sword.”

Get it? Christ preached hatred and violence. If you connect the dots, his teaching ultimately bore fruit in millennia of anti-Semitism, culminating in Hitler’s mass murders of Jews.

Of course Safire, who seems to be writing for people who don’t know the New Testament too well, doesn’t mention that Christ is speaking metaphorically, as the rest of the passage immediately makes clear: “For I have come to set son against father, daughter against mother, daughter-in-law against mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own house.” That is, Christ’s truth will divide people even from their closest relatives. As it often still does.

Safire overlooks an even more famous metaphor of the sword, though Jesus speaks it in the new film: “He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.”

Jews like Safire can’t shake the obsessive belief that they are the victims of hatred, even when they’re spreading hatred themselves. Among Jewish writers during the present controversy, only David Klinghoffer, writing in the Los Angeles Times, has been candid enough to mention that the Talmud proudly gives the Jews “credit” for killing Jesus.

The Talmud’s account is historically incredible, but it shows that the notion that some Jews played their part in killing Christ isn’t just a fiction of the Gospels. The Talmud doesn’t even mention the Romans’ role in the story, whereas the Apostles’ Creed doesn’t mention the Jewish role: it merely says that Christ “suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried.” If the early Church was so eager to blame the Jews, it muffed its big chance.

Moving along to the Washington Post, we find columnist Richard Cohen charging that Gibson’s film is “anti-Semitic, maybe not purposely so but in the way portions of the New Testament are — an assignment of blame that culminated in the Holocaust.”

Cohen doesn’t quite reach the heights of slander Safire has set; in fact, it’s a standard Jewish anti-Christian calumny — a “hoary canard,” to use another regular cliché. As history, it’s naive in the extreme; if the Gospels were going to “culminate in the Holocaust,” they should have done so when Europe was still Christian, not under the pagan Nazi regime, which left something to be desired in the way of Christian piety and ethics.

The attempt to link Christianity to Nazism has become a heavy industry, culminating, if you will, in recent books smearing Pope Pius XII and the entire Catholic Church from New Testament times to 1965 — when, we are falsely told, the Second Vatican Council “reversed” a teaching the Church had never in fact taught. Little did the bishops of 1965 imagine that their goodwill gestures toward Jews would soon be used to vilify their predecessors.

Lately we’ve witnessed a somewhat new kind of vilification: the calumnious prediction. Jews — not all, but not a few, either — have said flatly that Gibson’s movie “will,” not “may,” incite anti-Jewish violence. They were saying this for months, while the film was still in production.

Well, the movie has been an astounding success. Millions of Christians have seen it, yet not even one violent incident has been reported in or near the theaters. Not even one! The Christians have been behaving like — well, like Christians. Is anyone surprised? Of course not.

Yet, at the urging of some rabid rabbis, the New York Police Department has assigned its Hate Crimes Unit to attend the movie and nab law-breaking Christian bigots who are “pushed over the edge” by the story of the Crucifixion. Arrests so far: zero.

If Gibson’s aim is what he says it is, namely, to bring Christ’s Passion home to millions, he has scored a huge triumph. If his goal is what his Jewish enemies say it is, namely, to cause the persecution of Jews, he has fizzled miserably.

“Hate,” anyone?
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[Livin_the_MASS]

Whatever, Some people just like to argue!

God Bless Mel's movie, it showed the true sacrifice and love Jesus has for us.

[phatcatholic]

doesn't this need to go in the "Passion" board instead of the "Debate" board?

[Homestarlover85]

Interesting article. WHat first came to mind is how when I watched the movie it didnt once cross my mind that it was the JEWS who killed him, but all I could think was how my sins put him on the cross. I sentenced him to death, and still do everytime i take my eyes off that cross, and look for justifcation for the way i live my life from the world. Just interesting.

[Bruce S]

Rather than the theological aspects, I wanted this thread to focus more on the politics of things, the US VERSUS THEM aspect that the Hollywood Jewish establishment put on this movie....

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]Rather than the theological aspects, I wanted this thread to focus more on the politics of things, the US VERSUS THEM aspect that the Hollywood Jewish establishment put on this movie.... [/quote]

huh?

The movie was made to show the last 12 hours of our Lord. Mel wanted to show what Jesus suffered for our sins for us. My sins crucified Him. I'm gulity and I thank Jesus for loving me so much to die for me and you and the whole world. YOU CANNOT BRING POLITICS in to this it will be an endless and usless. The point of the movie was to convert people.

[Bruce S]

We understand that. However, we live in the real world, real money, real issues, and there was MORE to that movie than the story of Jesus, sure the FILM was about the last few hours, what it meant, and how Jesus died for all. BUT...

There was, and IS a massive adverse and terrible side to this, it is ongoing even now, go to the Anti Defamation site, and follow the links.

Abe Foxman won't let up, even now, he is almost livid that there were NO "incidents" seems he almost is ASKING now for some crazy Christian to bomb a synagogue or something.

[quote]During the current controversy about the Gibson movie, we have been unhappy that more evangelical leaders have not acknowledged Jewish pain, the history of anti-Semitism associated with the deicide charge and the potential for recurring hatred of Jews.

But we shouldn’t rush to judgment on the impact of the film on evangelical Christians. We need to be clear where we stand and encourage sensitivity and education about Jews and Jewish history.

The bottom line remains what it has always been: Evangelical Christians have never demanded a quid pro quo from American Jews for their support of Israel.

If they were to say that they would only work on Israel’s behalf if American Jews halt their activity in opposition to them on social issues, we, of course, would say, “Sorry, no thanks for your support.”
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Go look for yourself. Essentially Abe is saying "Support US and Israel, even though we HATE YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FOR...you Christian fascists!"

[url="http://www.adl.org"]The Anti Defamation Homepage, follow Mel Gibson links[/url]

Edited March 22, 2004 by Bruce S

[Livin_the_MASS]

Yes we live in the world, and have all kinds of stuff goin on. But St. Paul told us in,

[b]Rom. 8:5-6[/b]

[quote]"[b][i][u]The unspiritual are interested only in what is unspiritual[/u][/i][/b], but the spiritual are interested in spiritual things. [u]IT IS DEATH TO LIMIT ONESELF TO WHAT IS UNSPIRITUAL[/u]; [b]life and peace can only come with concern for the spiritual[/b]."[/quote]

Sounds like your more concerned with unspiritual things? hmmm???

Endless disputes!

Edited March 22, 2004 by Jason

[God Conquers]

In my country anything negative about homosexuality is about to be declared a hate crime. Way to allow Religious Freedom.

[Aloysius]

when laws are contrary to Catholic teaching like that you are completely justified, even OBLIGED to break them.

[Jericho923]

Truth hurts...but must be elevated.
Let the bells ring and the insence rise!

[God Conquers]

We're all prepared to go to jail.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 21 2004, 09:04 PM'] We understand that. However, we live in the real world, real money, real issues, and there was MORE to that movie than the story of Jesus, sure the FILM was about the last few hours, what it meant, and how Jesus died for all. BUT...

There was, and IS a massive adverse and terrible side to this, it is ongoing even now, go to the Anti Defamation site, and follow the links.

Abe Foxman won't let up, even now, he is almost livid that there were NO "incidents" seems he almost is ASKING now for some crazy Christian to bomb a synagogue or something.



Go look for yourself. Essentially Abe is saying "Support US and Israel, even though we HATE YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FOR...you Christian fascists!"

[url="http://www.adl.org"]The Anti Defamation Homepage, follow Mel Gibson links[/url] [/quote]
Some people are just dumb.



How does someone get "hate" out of "Forgive them Father" - "Love your enemy" - "Treat others the way you want to be treated"? If they do, they do so because they did not look or have to have something to complain about. They do so because they are like Hitler, they know to get power and money you can play on people's fear.

The point to the "anti-defimation" people is pretty much to control thought. "Hatecrime" - what crime is not hateful? This is just a ruse by the thought police.
[list]
[*]"Freedom of speech" as long as you say what we want.
[*]"Freedom of Religion" as long as you don't practice it, share it, or believe it.
[*]"Don't force your beliefs on us" but, we can force our belief on non-belief on you.
[/list]

Down with the pigs. The only hate that comes is from the "anti-defimation" league.

I think I'll do a parady site call it 'pro-defimation'; and defimate the anti-defimation league.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Lil Red]

Bruce, just to let you know, we have had Jewish peeps here. Rebecca being one of them.

[foundsheep]

[quote]Yet, at the urging of some rabid rabbis, the New York Police Department has assigned its Hate Crimes Unit to attend the movie and nab law-breaking Christian bigots who are “pushed over the edge” by the story of the Crucifixion. Arrests so far: zero.
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How similiar is this to Jesus arrest?