Do You Really Respect God?

[Jericho923]

Ayed, i see no response to my intial comments

[ayed]

In The name of Allah , the Most gracious , the Most merciful .

Praise and thanks be to Allah, our Supreme God .
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You do know that I am always late in answering your questions due to my familial ties , parents and children.It is silly to ignore or even evade anyone of you whether he attacked me , personally or commented on my topic. What really got me embarrassed was Mr.Polar Bear and Mr.Jericho923 .I again sorry for that .
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My simple order from you is to read carefully so as to understand andbenefit from our discussion .You not only benefit from these debates but I also.

Jericho923:”…God, Almighty, Most merciful, most powerful, all seeing, all bearing, Omnipotent…”
(Ayed) Ok, these are Allah’s characteristics .If you say that Allah--the Supreme God, came down to earth , then what good of these attributes?Almighty means who is at the highest position and it is not of his own law to degrade himself for his poor creature.I do know that Allah love those people who pray sking Him to forgive them.people seeking salvation have to monothize Allah.That is, to believe in only one single God , our Supreme God .

Jericho923:”…God Himself created us in His image and it was good! including birth and all that our bodies encompass…”
(Ayed) :Shall you believe me OR believe the Supreme God?please read following verses from your own holy book:
>>“I[color=red] am the first and I am the last ; besides Me there is no god.Who is like me[/color]?”(Isaiah 44:6)

>>In the Holy Qur’an , Allah says: “[color=red]The Creator of the heavens and the earth He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates By this means He creates you (in the wombs) There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer…”([/color]42:11)

>>”[color=red]And there is no other god besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.Turn to Me and be saved…To Me every knee shall bow”(Isaiah 45:21~23)[/color]

>>Allah says :”[color=red]See you not that to Allâh prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees, and Ad-Dawâb (moving living creatures, beasts, etc), and many of mankind? But there are many (men) on whom the punishment is justified And whomsoever Allâh disgraces, none can honour him Verily! Allâh does what He wills…”(22:18)[/color]


Jericho923:”…"For God so loved the world that he gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him might not perish but might have eternal life." John 3:16
amen.
(Ayed):Allah commands prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) in the Holy Qur’an :”[color=red]Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allâh, (the) One*Allâh-us-Samad(The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks)* "He begets not, nor was He begotten)*)"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him"(112:1~4)[/color]

Allah says :”[color=green]But those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh - Islâmic Monotheism) and do deeds of righteousness, We shall admit them to the Gardens under which rivers flow (ie in Paradise) to dwell therein forever Allâh's Promise is the Truth, and whose words can be truer than those of Allâh? (Of course, none)(4:122)[/color]


Thank you all.


Ayed

[Theoketos]

The Womb is a Sacred Place,Created by God.

Mary was made by God sinless so that her placenta would be worthy of God.

The Body is not a bad thing. If it used in a disqusting way it is not the Master's way but foolish humans abusing His great gift.

[Winchester]

Ayed and Mulls,

I'm not in the least new. I stand by my rudeness, as it is a response to yours. This is not the first time I have encountered you. It is not the first time I have combatted your repeated insistence that we are in fact polytheistic. It grows wearisome.

[quote]--Please excogitate these things to see how much you look down upon our Creator , our Maker ,Allah or (Father according to your creed).
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You presumed the answer to your question. This is not debate, this is browbeating, this is loaded questioning. You assume we have not thought on the matter. Since you bring nothing new to the table, you are merely assuming our lack of thought in this area. Stat your thesis plainly, do not wrap such pompous assumptions in pleasant greetings.


[quote]--Christians see Jesus as a son of God , and the Holy Spirit as a God.So, they worship God “and Jesus “and the Holy Spirit. In fact, They are three Gods not one .Catholics have to pass through more than 30 steps , confirming and negatung the three Gods so as to assert that they have only one God.
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Meaning you ignored what has been said, though you claimed earlier to credit us with monotheism. Your assertion has no proofs, no citations, no foundations. It's a groundless statement. Explain how Christ is negated. Give an example.


[quote]Now ,open up your limited minds for the following subtopics:[/quote]
Excuse me?

[quote]5-Well ! Re-think of the following :
---Don’t you degrade our God when you consider Jesus as a God kept in his mother’s womb for “9 months”?
--Don’t you undervalue our God when imagining him wrapped up by the fetal membrane?
--Don’t you belittle our God when imagining him submerged into fluids and his face was wholly covered with the caul?
--Don’t you dishonor our God when eating bread soaked in wine as Jesus’ flesh and the food goes through metabolism and excreted out of your body , eventually?[/quote]
Well, aren't there quite a few assumptions here? The least of which not being the assumption that our biological processes (designed, I think we agree, by God) are demeaning. Are you not demeaning God by belittling His design of our birth? Are you not belittling God by ridiculing His design for our process of gaining sustenance? Are mothers to be reviled? You seem to indicate this with your contemptuous treatment of motherhood. The knife of rhetoric cuts both ways.

[quote]Accept my regards and have good happy times
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See you no false facce in this alternating diet of insult and well-wishes?


Lastly, I am not your peer. I am a savage, a barbarian, a vandal. Attack from a high horse and I will raise the rough hewn spear to slay your mount. Also, I am wont to moon you from across the field of battle.

[foundsheep]

Moved.

[M.SIGGA]

Hey Can someone move this back at least until Ayed can comment on the whole Christians and Jews burning in Hell part

[IcePrincessKRS]

I think only Kilroy can do that back here.... and dUSt of course...

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Sadly, truth be told, I cannot move any thread anywhere. I merely can edit and delete and reopen (back here) to my hearts content.


I too would have been interested in Ayed's pitiful response.


Sorry.

Guess I'm biased.

[Donna]

Winchester! How ya be?

I see the man the same as you.

[dUSt]

Moved back so Ayed can respond.

[ayed]

thank you very much

I will be back soon to answer Mr.Winchester's questions so as not to kill me

Thank you
Ayed

[ayed]

In The name of Allah , the Most gracious , the Most merciful .

Praise and thanks be to Allah, our Supreme God .
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Special thank to all Moderators who brought back our topic.
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Mr.Theoketoes :”…Mary was made by God sinless so that her placenta would be worthy of God…”
(Ayed): Mr.Theoketoes, since Allah made Mary , then why did He get into her womb?Allah is above what is said.
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My topic is addressed at Catholic Denomination not at Mr.Winchester,personally. I do not know his faction so far. I just wonder why has he attacked me, personally. Of his own volition , he commented and criticised me .Have I forced him to do so?

The Forum”Debate Table” is not a Bodily-Wrestling Arena for one to roll up his sleeves , to ride a horse and to fight one without justifications.The Debate Table is a Mentally-Wrestling Arena where one can give concessions and take ..not defend and retreat.If one still beats around the bush and does not go straight to facts and findings, then he does lie on his own self before he lies on other’s .I am sure that reality often is offending .When would that be? When the fact itself is about to stripe him off his pseudo mask .


If I jumped over decorum barriers, then notify me, Phatmassers ,so as to take the required steps.Making a mistake is not a mistake but the real mistake is the continuity of making that mistake itself .

According to Mr.Winchester’s advice , he does not want me to say:

“Thank you very much” or “accept my regards” or “see you again”
Does he want me to say:
“have a sad day “or “have a wicked future” or “have a fatal accident” ,

I Just wonder!?

Now, what should I say ?

I will not say anything.. But ,

My fingertips will type down for all of you including Mr.Winchester:

“Thank you very much for spending your valuable times and money to keep in touch with each other”


Ayed

[ayed]

In The name of Allah , the Most gracious , the Most merciful .

Praise and thanks be to Allah, our Supreme God .
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Special thank to all Moderators who brought back our topic.
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Mr.Theoketoes :”…Mary was made by God sinless so that her placenta would be worthy of God…”
(Ayed): Mr.Theoketoes, since Allah made Mary , then why did He get into her womb?Allah is above what is said.
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My topic is addressed at Catholic Denomination not at Mr.Winchester,personally. I do not know his faction so far. I just wonder why has he attacked me, personally. Of his own volition , he commented and criticised me .Have I forced him to do so?

The Forum”Debate Table” is not a Bodily-Wrestling Arena for one to roll up his sleeves , to ride a horse and to fight one without justifications.The Debate Table is a Mentally-Wrestling Arena where one can give concessions and take ..not defend and retreat.If one still beats around the bush and does not go straight to facts and findings, then he does lie on his own self before he lies on other’s .I am sure that reality often is offending .When would that be? When the fact itself is about to stripe him off his pseudo mask .
If I jumped over decorum barriers, then notify me, Phatmassers ,so as to take the required steps.Making a mistake is not a mistake but the real mistake is the continuity of making that mistake itself .

According to Mr.Winchester’s advice , he does not want me to say:

“Thank you very much” or “accept my regards” or “see you again”
Does he want me to say:
“have a sad day “or “have a wicked future” or “have a fatal accident” ,

I Just wonder!?

Now, what should I say ?

I will not say anything.. But ,

My fingertips will type down the following:

“Thank you very much for spending your valuable times and money to keep in touch with each other”


Ayed

[phatcatholic]

ayed,

i think the objection on our part is that we have answered these questions many times before, yet you seem to repeat them again and again. it makes us wonder why you continue to ask them.

--are you reading our posts?
--do you not understand them?
--are you trying to understand them?
--is there a language barrier that is making this more difficult?

those are some of the questions that we ask ourselves. because of the repitition on your part, we can get a little impatient at times, and even take your questions offensively. i hope that you will forgive us for that.

if i could give some friendly advice, i would suggest doing some research on a subject before you ask the question. the answers to all of your questions are easy to find. go [b][url="http://catholic.com/"]here[/url][/b] or check out our [b][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showforum=12"]reference section[/url][/b] here at phatmass. this will make your questions more informed, and we won't have to repeat ourselves as much. also, make sure you understand a post before you respond to it, and let us know if we need to define a word or explain a concept that we have used. it seems that alot of times you get the wrong idea about what we type, so that may help. as long as you are willing to learn, we are willing to help you.

maybe those suggestions will make our discussions with you more effective.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[Winchester]

Donna,
Beware falling into my cynicism...although I hope it's insightful cynicism.