I'm Confused?

[Livin_the_MASS]

I guess not hee... hee...?

[Aloysius]

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the site prolly just doesn't like linkage from it, some sites block that.

let me try
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how bout
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[Sojourner]

PedroX,
Thanks for what you said, very well put.

[ironmonk]

Jason,

I'm not sure what post you're writing about but....

Some people here don't seem to care about what your intention is when they read your writing, they can about what their own interpretation of your writing. Some people here cannot deal with simple truths. There have been many times that I explained myself only to be ignored as if I was speaking Greek. Didn't matter that I wrote that there was a misunderstanding or that "that's not what I meant".

They'll get over it, so don't sweat it. If they don't, it's their problem they need to deal with.

To many Catholics are so scared to offend they won't speak the truth. It's ok that someone else comes in and posts what they believe, but the minute you do and they're supposed to be the same faith, the thought police step up and falsely accuse you. Some people are so concerned with what they believe instead of what the Church teaches it's very sad. They need to realize that you write for Christ, not for yourself, and not for them.

The thing it's easy to offend people when they're wrong. Therefore if speaking the truth offends someone, it should be expected. No one likes to be proven wrong, but they will grow from the conflict. God has absolute truths. It's great that you defend the Eucharist against blasphemy. To many people have waterdown Catholcism... They do not realize how great the Eucharist is and fail to defend it when they should. Many times we might find ourselves defending the Eucharist against ignorant Brothers and Sisters in the Faith. Just look at how many walk by God without bending a knee or showing some sign of reverence.

The whole point, don't sweat it, and I'll hunt for you post because I would bet money it was a good one.


God Bless, Stand up, Speak Out - for Christ,
ironmonk

[Brother Adam]

truth not spoken in charity is worthless.

This group, phatmass, has exemplified how to share truth by their actions and only use words when necessary (St. Francis of Assisi)

I believe Jason has it in him to be a great Catholic evangalist. Like all of us, and me most of all, he is still learning. I wish I had handled the other thread better, I know the breakdown was much more my fault than his.

[quote]To many Catholics are so scared to offend they won't speak the truth[/quote]

Now I know you aren't speaking about anyone on this board

If I ever end up converting, I can garuntee you it have a great deal with watching Catholics put their teachings into action.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 21 2004, 12:53 PM'] truth not spoken in charity is worthless.
[/quote]
I wouldn't say worthless because truth has value... But truth [b]does [/b]need charity.

Charity demands correction. When I wrote "falls apart" on the other thread, I think it would have been better if I wrote "I think it falls apart because...<insert verses and quotes here>" or "I don't understand why you believe it because...<insert verses and quotes here>" - but I would not say that "falls apart" was uncharitable. Maybe a poor choice of words, but not uncharitable.

<the following is not directed at you bro adam - just general comments to those who are quick to say "uncharitable">

It seems that some people here believe that disagreeing is unchairitable, which it is not.

This is a debate table, which means that we give points and counter points. We learn from each other, we try to understand the other's point of view, and we ask questions when we don't understand why they believe what they do.

I think that people who think something is uncharitable read the post a few times and try to understand what the writer is saying instead of starting argueing what the writer meant.


...just a few thoughts.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Livin_the_MASS]

Quote from St. Francis De Sales (The devout life)

[quote]St. James said that "If any man offend not in word, he is a perfect man." [Jas. 3:2]. Be on your guard, therefore, about every careless word; even when said with no evil intention, it can be taken badly by those who hear it. A careless word, falling into a feeble heart, spreads like a drop of oil on fabric and sometimes so preccupies the heart that it becomes filled with a thousand impure temptations.

Poison which enters through the mouth penetrates the whole body, and poison which enters the ear penetrates the heart, unless counteracted by an antidote. Therefore, the tongue which utters these poisonous words is a murder.

Let no one say that these words are spoken in attentively. For Our Lord, who knows our thoughts, says that the mouth speaks from the abundance of the heart! [Matt. 12:34]. Even if we ourselves do not see the evil, the devil sees it and secretly uses our words to reach hearts.........

Mockery must have no place in your conversation. It is one of the most evil tendencies of the human spirit. God detests this vice, which is so contrary to charity. We might even say that the greatest way to offend our neighbor by speech is to mock him. Why? Because every offense can be given while still having a certain measure of esteem for the one offended, whereas one never mocks without somewhat despising the one mocked........[/quote]

[b]Speaking about God[/b]

[quote]Never speak about God out of habit or just to have a topic for conversation, but always with attention and devotion. I tell you this to put you on your guard against a failing which is sometimes encountered among certain Christians who speak pious words at every turn in order to win esteem, but without really thinking about them and who after they have said them, are convinced that they are what their speech would seem to indicate they are, which however is not alway the case......[/quote]


[b]Being fair and just at all times[/b]

[quote]We are human only because of our reason, and yet it is very rare to find people who are truly reasonable. Self-love frequently falsifies rationality and leads it into a thousand kinds of injustices which, though often small, are nonetheless dangerous. They resemble those little foxes found in the Canticle of Canticles who creep into the vineyard and ravage it. [Cant. 2:15]. Because they are numerous, they cause great damage. Judge for yourself whether or not what I am about to describe to you injust and unreasonable.

We fault our neighbor for a trifle, but excuse ourselves for a major fault; we desire to sell for a good price, but to buy at a bargain; we demand that justice be meted out in the house of another, but want mercy in our own; we wish people to take remarks in the right light, but we are sensitive and prickly about what is said to us; we urge our neighbor to sell us his property even though it would be better if he kept it and let us keep our money. We are affronted when he does not wish to accommodate us, even though he has a greater right to be annoyed at our wish to inconvenience him. If we like a certain practice we despise all others, denigrating whatever is not to our taste. If we take an aversion to someone, no matter what he does, we find him at fault and ceaselessly badger and annoy him. There are even some parents who do not love a child because of some physical imperfection; whereas, the other, even if less worthy, are favored solely because of their physical charm.......[/quote]

Ah the school of the Saints



[b]Defending the faith[/b]

CCC 2087-2088

[quote]Our moral life has it's source in faith in God who reveals his love to us. St. Paul speaks of the "obedience of faith" as our obligation. He shows that "ignorance of God" is the principle and explanation of all moral deveations. [b]Our duty toward God is to believe in him and to bear witness to him[/b].[/quote]

[quote][b]The first commandment requires us to nourish and to protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it[/b]. There are various way of sinning against faith:
Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness........[/quote]

God Bless
Much Love
Jason