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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='10 April 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1270946447' post='2090707']
L_D, can you recommend some works by him (or by others about him and his works) that could help me understand his philosophy better? The Franciscans of the Immaculate are quite fond of him, so since finding that out, I have wanted to give him a chance; however, I think I have been given a somewhat "tainted" perspective of him as I was taught Bl. Scotus was basically a pre-cursor to Ockham. (Sadly, several Sisters and priests in my community did not think very highly of his philosophy... I never quite got a full understanding of why -- just that Ockham-connection on nominalism. :sweat: )
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I LOVE Duns Scotus! I really like the book by the Franciscans of the Immaculate called the Mariology of Bl. John Duns Scotus... I don't remember the name of the author. You may have already heard of it though.

I don't know where you can find it though... I haven't been able to. Even though it focuses on his Mariology, I found it to be a fairly good introduction to his thought as a whole... I think maybe because his approach to everything was more or less Marian.

I am slowly making my way through God as First Principle. ^_^

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[quote name='zunshynn' date='10 April 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1270947028' post='2090714']
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I LOVE Duns Scotus! I really like the book by the Franciscans of the Immaculate called the Mariology of Bl. John Duns Scotus... I don't remember the name of the author. You may have already heard of it though.

I don't know where you can find it though... I haven't been able to. Even though it focuses on his Mariology,[b] I found it to be a fairly good introduction to his thought as a whole... [/b]I think maybe because his approach to everything was more or less Marian.

I am slowly making my way through God as First Principle. ^_^
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Ah! I've been pondering buying that book (I love his mariology!); however, I really wanted to know more about his philosophical thought as a whole -- so this is very good news to hear! Hmmm... so perhaps I will put this on my "wishlist". :think:

I wish there was some kind of book with an objective comparison between the Thomistic and Franciscan (particularly Bonaventure and Scotus) school of though. That would be really helpful to me. :pray: I'd even settle for an outlined side-by-side chart comparison. :lol:

ETA/P.S. -- Have you read this book, zunshynn? -- [url="http://marymediatrix.com/bookshop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=14&product_id=94"]A Primer on the Absolute Primacy of Christ[/url] by Fr. Dean, FI

[quote][b]Scotus' Teachings on Christ made simple[/b]

This volume by Fr. Dean, FI is an excellent introductory summary of the well known Franciscan thesis, "The Primacy of Christ." Briefly stated, it is a thesis central to the doctrine and life of the Franciscan Order in particular and that of the Holy Church in general regarding the operation of God in the economy of salvation (Economic Trinity). The thesis stipulates the centraility of Christ in this Trinitarian operation as it presupposes the hierarchized ordering in the motive of the divine will. The uniqueness of this volume is the author's attempt to explain in simple language this theological doctrine for the non-professional theologians.[/quote]

I am considering purchasing this book next month. :think:

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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='10 April 2010 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1270947450' post='2090718']
ETA/P.S. -- Have you read this book, zunshynn? -- [url="http://marymediatrix.com/bookshop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=14&product_id=94"]A Primer on the Absolute Primacy of Christ[/url] by Fr. Dean, FI
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No.

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[quote]Ah! I've been pondering buying that book (I love his mariology!); however, I really wanted to know more about his philosophical thought as a whole -- so this is very good news to hear! Hmmm... so perhaps I will put this on my "wishlist". :think:

I wish there was some kind of book with an objective comparison between the Thomistic and Franciscan (particularly Bonaventure and Scotus) school of though. That would be really helpful to me. :pray: I'd even settle for an outlined side-by-side chart comparison. :lol:[/quote]

Yeah, that book (although I had been reading it when I left OLAM and so didn't quite finish it) really helped me understand a lot of the differences between Scotus and Aquinas, and also the differences between Scotus and Bonaventure. Granted, as you pointed out, they are very much in favor of Scotus, so perhaps not completely objective, but I really found it to be very fair in explaining the variances... One thing I found that it discussed very clearly was the different views on the Incarnation.

ETA: Actually... his thought on the primacy of Christ was pretty much the basis for his Marian doctrine... especially the Immaculate Conception of course, but also, in particular as regards to the Assumption. So that's another topic that the book explains at length.

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By the way, I have also found what I've read in [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=L-c9QNnkN0QC&lpg=PP1&dq=Duns%20Scotus%20on%20Divine%20Love&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false"]Duns Scotus on Divine Love[/url] on GoogleBooks really fascinating. It's an expensive book... like $120 dollars... so I don't have the book itself and its only a limited preview, but quite a bit of it is there and it's still pretty interesting, if you don't mind reading a book online.

They also have a limited preview of [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=Z8ladVA418AC&lpg=PP1&dq=Antonie%20Vos&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false"]the Philosophy of John Duns Scotus[/url] by Antonie Vos (which is an even more expensive book)... but personally, although I understand it's a highly respected book on his philosophy, I found that one kind of dull. Or maybe just too hard to understand. :idontknow:

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[quote name='zunshynn' date='11 April 2010 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1270958991' post='2090792']
By the way, I have also found what I've read in [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=L-c9QNnkN0QC&lpg=PP1&dq=Duns%20Scotus%20on%20Divine%20Love&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false"]Duns Scotus on Divine Love[/url] on GoogleBooks really fascinating. It's an expensive book... like $120 dollars... so I don't have the book itself and its only a limited preview, but quite a bit of it is there and it's still pretty interesting, if you don't mind reading a book online.

They also have a limited preview of [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=Z8ladVA418AC&lpg=PP1&dq=Antonie%20Vos&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false"]the Philosophy of John Duns Scotus[/url] by Antonie Vos (which is an even more expensive book)... but personally, although I understand it's a highly respected book on his philosophy, I found that one kind of dull. Or maybe just too hard to understand. :idontknow:
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Oh my goodness -- the prices! :shock: :cry:

Hmmm.... I think I will check out that limited preview for the first book as I'm honestly [i]that[/i] interested to know more about his philosophy. :sweat: I would like to "clear" him of any philosophical "wrongdoing" or "red alerts" that I've been taught in regards to him. :sadder:

Perhaps there's a way I can get that second book on inter-library loan. :think: I hope that's a possibility. :detective:

Oh! And I thought this was pretty cool: [url="http://airmaria.com/2010/03/15/finews-fis-producing-john-duns-scotus-film/"]FIs Producing John Duns Soctus Film[/url] -- I heard about this a few days ago and am super-excited about it! :woot: It premieres on DVD next month (May)!!

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[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1270942229' post='2090681']
Sounds like the tiresome old diss on Ockham and to assert such a thing of Scotus strikes me as most absurd. Scotus was as much a realist as Aquinas and many Popes have given mad props the this saintly man and his thought. I'd be happy if he were canonized and declared a Doctor of the Church. :smokey:

P.S. I voted other.
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I've revised my vote and gone with St. Bonaventure. I am in a Franciscan Traditions class that traces Franciscan Philosophy, which is inevetiablly tied into their theology, and Boneventure's just makes the most sense to me. I have respect for St. Thomas, but St. Bonaventure's Illumination Theory (which I know is somewhat more philosophical) is just dripping with Grace and the Holy Spirit that it just makes me love him all the more.

Duns Scotus is a close second as well, since he seems to take a better approach as well then St. Thomas, and it's unfair to discount him, since you have to look into the historical context in order to fully understand why he is stuck with such stigma of maybe being heretical or something.

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[quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1301978376' post='2226062']
I've revised my vote and gone with St. Bonaventure. I am in a Franciscan Traditions class that traces Franciscan Philosophy, which is inevetiablly tied into their theology, and Boneventure's just makes the most sense to me. I have respect for St. Thomas, but St. Bonaventure's Illumination Theory (which I know is somewhat more philosophical) is just dripping with Grace and the Holy Spirit that it just makes me love him all the more.

Duns Scotus is a close second as well, since he seems to take a better approach as well then St. Thomas, and it's unfair to discount him, since you have to look into the historical context in order to fully understand why he is stuck with such stigma of maybe being heretical or something.
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Amen bro. I made that post like exactly a year ago. Kind of cool.

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Selah

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...none of the above :|

Edit: Well, St. Bonaventure was actually kinda razzle dazzle. I redact it.

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I love St. Thomas Aquinas but I also follow St. Augustine and St. Francis Desales. I am planning on taking classes on all of them hopefully

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