Augustine

[dairygirl4u2c]

I have much to share regarding augustine in regards to the papacy. I have actually looked up the quotes and read them in context and will share it with the message board later. But right now I'd like to finish my search on his belief in the last supper and the only compelling quotes for the CC are the two I can't find. Can someone find these two quotations for me?

"I promised you [new Christians], who have now been baptized, a sermon in which I would explain the sacrament of the Lord's Table, which you now look upon and of which you last night were made participants. You ought to know that you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ" ([b]Sermons 227 [/b][A.D. 411]).

Augustine

"What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the Body of Christ and the chalice is the Blood of Christ. This has been said very briefly, which may perhaps be sufficient for faith; yet faith does not desire instruction" [b](ibid[/b]., 272).

[Aloysius]

can i have some milk?

[Adeodatus]

Dairygirl,

You can find those quotes in the English edition of "Augustine's Sermons" published by New City Press.

1. "Sermon 227" on page 254 of Vol. III/6 (Sermons 184-229Z on the Liturgical Seasons), translated by Edmund Hill, OP.

2. "Sermon 272" on page 300 of Vol. III/7 (Sermons 230-272B on the Liturgical Seasons), translated by Edmund Hill, OP.

There is, as far as I can tell, no internet source for the same works. But it may be easier to find the same source in the original Latin (Migne's Patrologia Latina).

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 20 2004, 03:00 AM'] But right now I'd like to finish my search on his belief in the last supper and the only compelling quotes for the CC are the two I can't find. [/quote]
here are some more quotes. are these not compelling?

"Christ was carried in his own hands when, referring to his own body, he said, ‘This is my body’ [Matt. 26:26]. For he carried that body in his hands" ([b]Explanations of the Psalms 33:1:10 [A.D. 405][/b]).

"In the sacrament he is immolated for the people not only on every Easter Solemnity but on every day; and a man would not be lying if, when asked, he were to reply that Christ is being immolated. For if sacraments had not a likeness to those things of which they are sacraments, they would not be sacraments at all; and they generally take the names of those same things by reason of this likeness" ([b]Letters 98:9 [A.D. 412][/b]).

"For when he says in another book, which is called Ecclesiastes, ‘There is no good for a man except that he should eat and drink’ [Eccles. 2:24], what can he be more credibly understood to say [prophetically] than what belongs to the participation of this table which the Mediator of the New Testament himself, the priest after the order of Melchizedek, furnishes with his own body and blood? For that sacrifice has succeeded all the sacrifices of the Old Testament, which were slain as a shadow of what was to come. . . . Because, instead of all these sacrifices and oblations, his body is offered and is served up to the partakers of it" ([b]The City of God 17:20 [A.D. 419][/b]).

[ironmonk]

Here is a great resource for you...

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701.htm[/url]

Pay close attention to the following writings in regards to the last supper to know what Augustine believed:
Tractate 24 (John 6:1-14)
Tractate 25 (John 6:15-44)
Tractate 26 (John 6:41-59)
Tractate 27 (John 6:60-72)



God Bless,
ironmonk

[Jericho923]

probably nothing to do with the specifics, but read the Confessions! it is an awesome book!

God is with us!