tinytherese Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1784970' date='Feb 18 2009, 09:01 PM']In the last few months, through Apologetics, I have realized that [b]Roman Catholicism is the rise and fall of the Christian God. [/b][/quote] What does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 [quote name='tinytherese' post='1785189' date='Feb 19 2009, 01:31 AM']What does this mean?[/quote] Either God exists as we Catholics think he exists or he doesn't exist and all of Christianity goes down the tubes. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/3+doors+down/track/here+without+you"]3 Doors Down - Here Without You[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1785257' date='Feb 19 2009, 03:26 AM']Either God exists as we Catholics think he exists or he doesn't exist and all of Christianity goes down the tubes. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/3+doors+down/track/here+without+you"]3 Doors Down - Here Without You[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url][/quote] Interesting you say that because Paul warns about people coming and preaching a different Jesus then the one preached by the Church. He calls these preachers "superpreachers" and accuses them of being false and condems them for not preaching the gospel free of charge. He also mentions how in the final conflict these "superpreachers" will be judged and condemed by their deeds. I connect the final conflict to being how alot of the big time superpreachers preach the rapture and also preach anti catholic doctrine. They are very obviouslly preaching a different Jesus then the one preached by the catholic faith. The Jesus they preach is a Jesus that wants to make you rich and not deal with your personal sin. Kinda spooky that Paul and the catholic translation refers to these super preachers being involed in a final conflict. I think we havent even seen close to the worst of it yet. I think some very anti catholic super preachers are on there way and are going to attack the church like there's no tommorow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1785259' date='Feb 19 2009, 02:36 AM']Interesting you say that because Paul warns about people coming and preaching a different Jesus then the one preached by the Church. He calls these preachers "superpreachers" and accuses them of being false and condems them for not preaching the gospel free of charge. He also mentions how in the final conflict these "superpreachers" will be judged and condemed by their deeds. I connect the final conflict to being how alot of the big time superpreachers preach the rapture and also preach anti catholic doctrine. They are very obviouslly preaching a different Jesus then the one preached by the catholic faith. The Jesus they preach is a Jesus that wants to make you rich and not deal with your personal sin. Kinda spooky that Paul and the catholic translation refers to these super preachers being involed in a final conflict. I think we havent even seen close to the worst of it yet. I think some very anti catholic super preachers are on there way and are going to attack the church like there's no tommorow.[/quote] What is scary is many of those probably think they are in the right and we are not. Makes me wonder sometimes if I am really forcing myself to see what I want to see and not what I should see. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/3+doors+down/track/here+without+you"]3 Doors Down - Here Without You[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1785261' date='Feb 19 2009, 03:39 AM']What is scary is many of those probably think they are in the right and we are not. Makes me wonder sometimes if I am really forcing myself to see what I want to see and not what I should see. ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/3+doors+down/track/here+without+you"]3 Doors Down - Here Without You[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url][/quote] Yep. That is why they are going to be fooled when the antichrist comes. Revelations says that even the elect will be decieved by the antichrist. They are hoping or expecting to be raptured away. Who knows what the antichrist and his angels will offer to do for decieved believers. It all makes sence now though how blasphemy against the holy spirit is the unforivable sin. Because it is to attribute to satan what is really of the Holy Spirt and God. Those who are militant and preach against the church and accuse it of being the whore from revelations are doing just that. And again when these superpreachers come (there are some here now but far worse are coming) They will preach against the catholic church and with the help of the antichrist and his angels decieve themselves into hell. This is my opinon but makes perfect sence from scipture. I will post the scripture. Edited February 19, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) 2 corinthians 11 Chapter 11 [font="Arial Black"]Preaching Without A Charge[/font] But I am afraid thatas the serpent decieved Eve by his cunning, your thoughts may be corrupted from a sincere and pure commitment to Christ. For if someone comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you recieve a different spirit from the one you recieved or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it well enough. For I think I am not in anyway inferior to these "superapostles." * skip a little bit * For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will corresond to their deeds. Ok now when you skip over to the catholic translation this is what it says : Paul picks up again imagery of v 3 and applies it to the oppenrts : they are false apostles of Christ, really serving another master. Deceitfull...masquerade : decepiton and simulation, like cunning, are the marks of the satanic. Angel of light : recalls the contrast between light and darkness. [font="Arial Black"]THERE END : THE SECTION CLOSES WITH ANOTHER ALLUSION TO THE JUDGEMENT, WHEN ALL PARTICIPATNS IN THE FINAL CONFLICT WILL BE REVEALED OR UNMASKED AND DEALT WITH AS THEY DESERVE[/font] Now the "final conflict" has to be when satan and his angels start coming to earth. Remember how Jesus says " If you hear i'm out in the dessert dont belive it " And so forth, he talks about antichrist coming in his name. There are many antichrist and in the future they will perform great signs. Now lets say you have a really anticatholic church headed by a super preacher. All of the sudden " Jesus" appears in the church and wants to rapture the church away. You see what im getting at ?? SCARY STUFF !!!!! Now we know that the Catholic Church is the complete truth and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. But when satan and his angels start coming to earth (its literally going to happen) they are going to come to decieve not destroy. Again they are going to be appealing to "christians" and non christains alike. They are going to be performing great singns and wonders even to to fool the elect. It's pretty certain satan and his angels are going to be working with these super preachers who paul warns about who preach a different Jesus and a different Gospel. That is why the catholic church is calling everyone back now because they know what is about to unfold very shortly. So many will be decieved Edited February 19, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes, everybodies deceived, so many souls deceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) I'd say alota souls just dont care. I guess that's the same thing as being decieved But just wait. Just wait till satans angels start arriving on earth followed eventually by the antichrist. Then you will see what the world decieved truelly means. Peace Edited February 19, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1785293' date='Feb 19 2009, 06:25 AM']I'd say alota souls just dont care. I guess that's the same thing as being decieved But just wait. Just wait till satans angels start arriving on earth followed eventually by the antichrist. Then you will see what the world decieved truelly means. Peace[/quote] I think being deceived is expecting something to happen that never will. I bet you just can't wait for the devil and his angels to arrive and reap his hell on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) To be honest I'd rather it not happen in my generation. But I think the odds of that happening are slim. Everything is falling into place. Great Saints are about to be made. Again though im human and the thought of satan and his angels on earth scares the **** out of me. But I dont fear satan. I only fear God. God is in control. God is love. God loves you. But just becasue you dont think God created our universe, doesn't mean that he didnt. People without faith is probally one of the main reasons God is going to let all this happen. You know how many people have faith and love God ? A LOT those that dont God is going to take care of them. He is going to let them be decieved by the antichrist and his angels. He's going to allow them to go to hell and burn forever. Never to be remebered again. Y ? Because they dont love God. They couldnt even love the God who created them and died on the cross for them. So I dont blame God for what He is about to do. I wont be decieved. Im going to live my life on the rock. How tough is it to ask God into your heart and have faith in him with the help of the holy spirit ? And people can't even do that ? let alone become catholic and step in that realm. but people can't even have faith in the God who created them ? and died on the cross for them ? selfish selfish people. Edited February 19, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkers Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sounds like a pretty mean, vengeful god to be honest, probably not the kind I would be interested in worshipping. What kind of all loving god slaughters his children for not believing in him anyway? Would you slaughter your own children if they decided you weren't their real father? You don't sound like a typical catholic, no doubt from a fundamentalist background?? The ironic thing about you is you sound like a "superpreacher" yourself, with all your rantings about hell and end times etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Bonkers has got a point. It's just that he completely misses ours. When we as Catholics talk about the end times to other Catholics, we assume that certain things are already understood. You don't have the context to criticize our arguments in this particular way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 None of us know when the end times will be but Our Lord says in the Gospel, that we must be ready for if they do come in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) [quote name='bonkers' post='1785362' date='Feb 19 2009, 10:06 AM']Sounds like a pretty mean, vengeful god to be honest, probably not the kind I would be interested in worshipping. What kind of all loving god slaughters his children for not believing in him anyway? Would you slaughter your own children if they decided you weren't their real father?[/quote] How does that make God mean and vengeful ???? He's gong to allow those who dont believe in Him and love Him to be decieved in the end times and recieve the mark of the beast. It's not God's fault that people dont love in Him and trust Him. Let me make it real clear that im not saying who is going to be saved and who isn't. All im saying is hell is real and for the non believer who takes the mark of the beast they are going to be in hell forever. And so is the believer who rejects the catholic church or who dies in a state of mortal sin. Jus because you "bonkers" think you're a good person and dont believe in God, doesn't make God evil if he sends you to hell. And actually you are the one sending yourself to hell by rejecting God and his grace and love. Edited February 20, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 [quote name='bonkers' post='1785362' date='Feb 19 2009, 09:06 AM']Sounds like a pretty mean, vengeful god to be honest, probably not the kind I would be interested in worshipping....[/quote] You think there is a supermarket of gods we get to shop for? ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/red+hot+chili+peppers/track/slow+cheetah"]Red Hot Chili Peppers - Slow Cheetah[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] ---------------- Listening to: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/dave+matthews+band/track/american+baby"]Dave Matthews Band - American Baby[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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