Tpotc As The Liturgy Of The Mass

[L5]

Mary Magdalene does seem to notice that the cross is floating

[L5]

The flashback to Jesus' sermon of love - The sign of peace before Communion

[luciana]

Yes, Mary Magdalene is putting her head down thinking the cross is going to crash down hard and suddenly lifts her gead like all surprised and looks around, as if "wow, does anybody else notice that". Then the camera cuts to Abedener(sp?) the head guard's face and he's nonchalantly looking. Noone notices the cross levitating except Magdalene, Mary, and John the Apsotle who also looks on in wonder.

[Enda]

[quote name='DukeToma' date='Mar 19 2004, 06:23 PM'] 1) Pontius washes his hands (flashback of Jesus washing his hands at the Last Supper) - The Priest washes his hands before the Eucharistic Prayer.

[/quote]
Eh, I don't like that comparsion. What Pilate did was try to absolve himself from being guilty of crucifying Christ and blaming it entirely on the mob. hence why he washed his hands. I believe he said, in the Bible anyway, something like "Let His Blood be on them and their chlidren." Instead of being viewed as total arrgonace on Pilate's part many Christians in the Middle Ages interpted it as literal, and became anti-Semnitic.

[L5]

Yeah but connecting Jesus to washing his hands to the priest washing his hands is more appropriate.

[luciana]

What L5 said
Pilate washing his hands reminds Jesus of the Last Supper and we get to see in a flashback He and His apostles washing their hands which is part of the Passover. So, the connection is w/ what Jesus ddi and what the priest does, since at the Last supper the Eucharist and the Priesthood were established by Our Lord.

Also, the line about the blood is spoken by the chief priests and the people not Pilate.

[amarkich]

Popesaintpiusx, I like yours the best There is one thing that some of you do not realize (which is probably just out of the lack of experience)--Mel Gibson does not go to the Novus Ordo Mass, so some of these things are just the imagination of the viewer because they do not apply to the Traditional Mass. A few of the things that were not portrayed by the movie are: the congregation receives kneeling (this is the way it should be, but I suppose you could say the congregation rises to approach the Communion rail, but it is a stretch), the congregation does not receive from the Chalice (we all receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ but the faithful only do so under the Species of Bread whereas the Priest does so under the Species of Bread and Wine), the thing about cleaning the Precious Blood is not an issue (and it should not be because otherwise God Himself would be present on the cloths of all the purificators) because 1) only the Priest receives from the Chalice and 2) the Chalice is left on the Altar during the distribution of Communion, upon returning to the Altar wine is poured by an Altar Boy (or Deacon) and the Priest consumes anything that may remain in the Chalice (next is the purification of the Priest's fingers which would surely leave no chance for the Precious Blood to be left anywhere), also the people do not exchange the Kiss of Peace, only the Ministers do (this is just a clarification; the Kiss of Peace point is still valid). The movie was truly amazing; the Deacon at my church has a home theatre in his basement, so they are planning to buy the movie, but I will take the advice of not making it such a habit as to become immune to it. God bless.

[Enda]

[quote name='Jericho923' date='Mar 22 2004, 03:01 AM'] another cool thing is the flipping of the Cross...it levitates!!! very subtle...this comes from the writings of the mystique that Mel G. used, and it symbolizes the Divinity of Jesus...also when Marry cleans the blood from the scourging grounds. [/quote]
I thought they were just pounding the nails sideways so that Jesus wouldn't be able to rip out the nails from the Cross, I don't rember any levitation...

[God Conquers]

I think pretty much everyone knows Mel Gibson attends mass in latin.

What do you mean the cleaning of the Blood is not an issue? The pirest in ANY mass has to purify the Chalice with a cloth.

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='Enda' date='Apr 18 2004, 11:01 AM'] I thought they were just pounding the nails sideways so that Jesus wouldn't be able to rip out the nails from the Cross, I don't rember any levitation... [/quote]
Well then... I guess you'll just have to see it again!

Hint hint nudge nudge.

[amarkich]

[quote]I think pretty much everyone knows Mel Gibson attends mass in latin. [/quote]

I agree that almost everyone knows this, but there are two important facts that must be understood concerning this subject. First, the Mass in Latin (could be a Novus Ordo) is very different from a Traditional Latin Mass. A Novus Ordo in Latin has essentially the identical Liturgy of an english Mass that most people attend, only in Latin wheras a Traditional Latin Mass (1962 Missal or earlier) has a very different Litugy in itself. Also, the fact that people know that he attends a Latin Mass (even if they know it is a Traditional Mass, or a different Mass than they normally attend), they still do not recognize the liturgical differences in the two Masses.

[quote]What do you mean the cleaning of the Blood is not an issue? The pirest in ANY mass has to purify the Chalice with a cloth. [/quote]

I meant that the "cleaning of the Blood" is not an issue insofar as the Priest never wipes of the Precious Blood to somehow leave the Sacred Species residing within (or on top of) a towel which will later be cleaned and great sacrilege will certainly occur. In the Traditional Mass (as well as a properly done Novus Ordo) the Priest first purifies the Chalice, receiving wine into it and drinking the wine and any remaining Precious Blood. Next the Priest purifies his fingers, wine and then water being poured over them. The Priest then receives again the water and wine in the Chalice. After this he wipes the inside of the Chalice. By this point there is no Precious Blood remaining therein. That was my only point regarding the actual [i]wiping[/i] of the Precious Blood (as opposed to the reverence toward the Precious Blood, which is exhibited after the Scourging in the movie and does in fact portray the reverence to the Precious Blood in the Liturgy). God bless.