Owner Of Muslim Relations Tv Network Beheads Wife

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1782847' date='Feb 16 2009, 05:03 PM']I think that's a good question. This man did a horrid thing but I don't think that reports of domestic abuse or murder usually warrent a phatmass thread on the debate table.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
because usually any time a thread is posted on Islam, it ends up being a debate. and being a mod, i decided to preemptively place it in Debate.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1783377' date='Feb 17 2009, 11:48 AM']There is really nothing to debate, then. If you didn't think the media was biased before, you probably won't feel any different now. Needless to say, people can continue going on showing their own double standards, I think that is what these kinds of threads are for, after all.[/quote]
Yes the news media is biased.
Yes they love sensationalism.

But the fact is, we don't have too many women in the US have their heads removed by their husbands. None that I can ever remember. However it its a common practice in the Muslim world, in fact, in Saudi Arabia alone hundreds have lost their heads. It is also a common form of execution by muslim terrorists.

[CatherineM]

I've seen many cases of men who slash their wife's/girlfriend's throat, but actual decapitation is rare expect for the mental ill in the midst of a psychotic episode. This may be due to the fact that few of us have ready access to something capable of taking someone's head off with one stroke. To kill someone isn't as easy as they make it look on TV. In real life, it is easy to kill with a gun, but harder with a knife because you have to get close to the person. Decapitating someone with anything less than an axe or machete takes time, effort, and nerve.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1783377' date='Feb 17 2009, 11:48 AM']There is really nothing to debate, then. If you didn't think the media was biased before, you probably won't feel any different now. Needless to say, people can continue going on showing their own double standards, I think that is what these kinds of threads are for, after all.[/quote]

I never said I didn't think they biased. I do. Always. You must have misunderstood me or me you because I would never say the media was not biased. They most certainly are and whenever I get a chance to say it, I say it.

And this thread has gone on for three pages so it does work here in the debate forum, even if the only debate going on is if should even be posted on here or not. I say it should

[HisChildForever]

What motivated this man to decapitate his wife?

[quote]If you hadn't heard about this that wouldn't be a surprise for the story has been almost completely boycotted here in the states.[/quote]

Why?

[quote]Police tell News 4 the only suspect in this case is the victim's husband, who walked into police headquarters in Orchard Park Thursday evening to report his wife was dead.[/quote]

Clearly the man thought there was nothing wrong with murdering her if he willingly walked in to the police station to inform them. The article does not say he "confessed" but he went in to "report."

*Quotes taken from article.

Edited February 17, 2009 by HisChildForever

[HisChildForever]

Emphasis added.

[quote][b]Muslim TV mogul Muzzammil Hassan's alleged beheading of wife, Aasiya Hassan, may be 'honor killing'[/b]

By Fred O. Williams
THE BUFFALO NEWS

Tuesday, February 17th 2009, 10:13 AM

The gruesome death of Orchard Park resident Aasiya Zubair Hassan — who was found decapitated — and the arrest of her estranged husband are drawing widespread attention, as speculation roils about the role that the couple’s religion may have played.

Muzzammil Hassan, 44, was arrested Thursday and charged with second- degree murder after telling police his wife was dead at the office of their television station in the Village of Orchard Park.

While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime, advocates for women linked the killing to attitudes in Muslim societies.

“This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing, a murder rooted in cultural notions about women’s subordination to men,” said Marcia Pappas, New York State president of the National Organization for Women.

She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story, which broke the same day as the commuter plane crash that killed 50 people in Clarence.

While domestic violence affects all cultures, Muslim women find it harder to break the silence about it because of a stigma, she said.

“Too many Muslim men are using their religious beliefs to justify violence against women,” she said.

[b]After episodes of domestic violence, [u]Aasiya Hassan, 37, filed for divorce Feb. 6[/u] and obtained an order of protection barring her husband from their Orchard Park home, her lawyer, Corey Hogan, said.

She and her husband both worked at Bridges TV, a satellite- distributed news and opinion channel. They launched the station in 2004 in an effort to counter images of Muslim violence and extremism.

Nadia Shahram, a matrimonial lawyer in Williamsville, said [u]that some Muslim men consider divorce a dishonor on their family.[/u][/b]

[b]A teacher of family law and Islam at the University at Buffalo Law School, Shahram said that [u]“fanatical” Muslims believe “honor killing” is justified for bringing dishonor on a family.[/u][/b]

While it has not been determined whether Aasiya Hassan’s death had anything to do with fanatical beliefs, the community should address the attitudes that make divorce particularly difficult for many Muslim families, Shahram said.

“I have not had one [case] where the husband wanted to settle outside of the court system,” she said.

In some interpretations, the Quran allows husbands to punish “disobedient” women, Shahram said, adding that this is a minority view.

An open community forum on the issue is scheduled from 3 to 6 p. m. Sunday at the UB Law School’s Moot Court on the North Campus in Amherst, she said. Imam Fajri Ansari, the leader of a Buffalo mosque, and other experts on Islam are scheduled to attend, she said.

Orchard Park police Monday continued to investigate last week’s death and remained quiet about its details.

Police believe that Aasiya Hassan died where she was found, in a hallway at the TV station’s offices on Thorn Avenue in the village, Police Chief Andrew Benz said.

The office was released as a crime scene Saturday, he said, but the effort to determine the murder weapon continued.

“We’re looking to make sure we find the weapon,” Benz said, adding that police don’t have a confession.

Muzzammil Hassan is scheduled to appear at a felony hearing in Orchard Park on Wednesday to determine bail.

A Family Court hearing today is expected to address the future of the couple’s two children, a girl age 4 and a boy age 6. Their grandparents, having traveled from Texas and Pakistan, are expected to attend, said John Tregilio, a lawyer for the children.

Muzzammil Hassan also has two older children, ages 17 and 18, who lived with the family on Big Tree Road in Orchard Park. The couple had been married eight years.

Naeem Randhawa, a documentary filmmaker in Dallas who worked with the Hassans, said it was apparent that their television venture was in trouble, but not their marriage.

He characterized Muzzammil Hassan as aggressive in a business sense, with fundraising efforts in the Muslim community that were necessary to keep the station going.

On a personal level, “he was not extremely talkative — he would sit back and listen,” Randhawa said. “He came across not as a passionate guy, [but] more reserved.”

Friends said they remember Aasiya Hassan as a vivacious and intelligent woman. For a time the couple owned a convenience store in Orchard Park where she would work, sometimes with her son.

Muzzammil Hassan graduated magna cum laude with an MBA from the Simon School of Business at the University of Rochester in 1996, according to biographical information on the TV station’s Web site.

In a 2005 interview with The Buffalo News, he said that the idea for the TV station was sparked two years earlier when the couple heard derogatory remarks about American Muslims on a radio talk show.[/quote]

Source: [url="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/02/17/2009-02-17_muslim_tv_mogul_muzzammil_hassans_allege.html"]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/02/17...ans_allege.html[/url]

Edited February 17, 2009 by HisChildForever

[CatherineM]

It says that he had two older children, so unless he is a widower, that means that he has been through divorce before. This may sound bizarre, but I was wondering today if he chose to do it in this manner as part of his inevitable defense. I once joked with my husband that if he wanted to get away with murdering me, that he couldn't just shoot or strangle me. Since he has schizophrenia, he needed to hack me up or make it look like a ritual sacrifice, so that he could claim it was a psychotic episode. This guy might have done it this way so that he'd have a stronger defense of temporary insanity due to religious ecstasy or something of the like.

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1783744' date='Feb 17 2009, 06:40 PM']It says that he had two older children, so unless he is a widower, that means that he has been through divorce before. This may sound bizarre, but I was wondering today if he chose to do it in this manner as part of his inevitable defense. I once joked with my husband that if he wanted to get away with murdering me, that he couldn't just shoot or strangle me. Since he has schizophrenia, he needed to hack me up or make it look like a ritual sacrifice, so that he could claim it was a psychotic episode. This guy might have done it this way so that he'd have a stronger defense of temporary insanity due to religious ecstasy or something of the like.[/quote]

That's actually a pretty good insight and I don't think it's all that impossible. I don't see any other way out of it... it is an [i]extremely[/i] low crime (upper middle class) neighborhood so no one is going to believe there is any possiblity it was anyone else (not to mention he reported her death in a pretty suspicious manner, pretty close to a confession). -Katie

[Hassan]

If you all want to argue this was a cultural thing that is fine (not that there is any evidence for this that I have seen), but it is unfair to marry this man's actions to Islam. No one here has produced a single piece of either Islamic sharia or fiqh that allows a man to hack off his wife's head. CMoP mentioned that decapitation is "common" in the "Muslim World" and mentioned Saudi Arabia. Setting aside just what constitutes the "Muslim World" and how often it must occur to be "common" what is the nature of this? Such instances in the Saudi government are the result of an individual being sentenced for a capital crime such as sodomy, murder, rape etc. If I murdered my wife by injecting her with a lethal substance in her sleep I doubt anyone would appreciate Saudi's drawing the conclusion that it was obviously tied to some sort of nationalism, after all lethal injection is a common practice in the United States.

The worst thing a husband may, in Islamic fiqh, do to his wife that I am aware of it to strike her with a small stick after two previous steps. If anyone has any provision in Islamic fiqh that allows a man to hack his wife's head off then please post it. That would not prove a causal relationship but it would at least make this topic worthy of discussion. If such a provision does not exist, if Apo and I are correct about the limits of marital "correction" on the husbands part than this is radically out of bounds of anything allowed in sharia. That beheading is a "common" practice amongst Muslim terrorists is irrelevant.
I would now like to mention that we know next to nothing about what has actually happened or what his motivations were or even what actually happened. Not that that should stop anyone from dissecting all the ways his culture’s (of course I have yet to see anyone post exactly what his nationality or ethnic identity is) honor demand that he redeem his lost honor from this divorce (not to mention that we know next to nothing about the circumstances of his divorce).

Edited February 18, 2009 by Hassan

[Hassan]

CNN is running a story on it now. The man does not appear to be a fundamentalist Muslim seeing as he was a clean shaven banker. It also seems that there was a history of domestic violence before this.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1783673' date='Feb 17 2009, 02:46 PM']Source: [url="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/02/17/2009-02-17_muslim_tv_mogul_muzzammil_hassans_allege.html"]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/02/17...ans_allege.html[/url][/quote]
MSNBC has a similar article that brings up "honor killing."

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29245206/"][u]Man accused of beheading wife called 'gentle'[/u][/url]

[TotusTuusMaria]

Well finally it is getting the press it deserves.

[quote name='Hassan' post='1784021' date='Feb 17 2009, 10:35 PM']If I murdered my wife by injecting her with a lethal substance in her sleep ...[/quote]

That is very specified. You've thought about this before haven't you? So muslim-like of you.

[quote]The worst thing a husband may, in Islamic fiqh, do to his wife that I am aware of it to strike her with a small stick after two previous steps.[/quote]

Yes, well that is wrong, and I am sure the stick hurts and many Muslim men (according to youtube videos) do a bit more since it is "up for debate."

[quote]I would now like to mention that we know next to nothing about what has actually happened or what his motivations were or even what actually happened.[/quote]

Why should that stop us from discussing it?

Edited February 18, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria

[Hassan]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1784274' date='Feb 18 2009, 02:47 AM']Well finally it is getting the press it deserves.[/quote]

I don't think it merits national coverage. Nor did the incident of the pastor's wife you mentioned before.






[quote]That is very specified. You've thought about this before haven't you? So muslim-like of you. [/quote]

You shouldn't have made fun of my icedream



[quote]Yes, well that is wrong, and I am sure the stick hurts and many Muslim men (according to youtube videos) do a bit more since it is "up for debate."[/quote]

I agree that it is wrong however that is a seperate discussion.



[quote]Why should that stop us from discussing it?[/quote]


I didn't say it should.

[Winchester]

Fact is, if Muslims want good press, they're going to have to kill the bad Muslims on their own instead of protecting them. This will happen in a century or so, but perhaps not before the radicals gain more power. What happened to all the other religions will happen to islam, as well. It's a young religion--give it time. In a few centuries, we may be looking at the rise of scientology, with Cruiseites attacking in waves.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1784347' date='Feb 18 2009, 10:42 AM']Fact is, if Muslims want good press, they're going to have to kill the bad Muslims on their own instead of protecting them. This will happen in a century or so, but perhaps not before the radicals gain more power. What happened to all the other religions will happen to islam, as well. It's a young religion--give it time. In a few centuries, we may be looking at the rise of scientology, with Cruiseites attacking in waves.[/quote]


how about they just kill this chap?

I think if anyone qualifies for a good stoning it's a fellow who decapitates his wife.