The Greek Orthodox Churches

[Resurrexi]

[quote]The old Catholic Encyclopedia's views on the Eastern Catholic Churches, which it called "rites," are not representative of Catholic teaching, and much of what it has to say about Eastern Catholicism is offensive to Eastern Catholics.[/quote]

A lot of the things some Eastern "Catholics" hold today is in blunt contradiction to what the Church taught, in the early 1900s, at the Second Vatican Council, and today, and thus would probably have been offensive to the writers of the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1782113' date='Feb 15 2009, 08:32 PM']A lot of the things some Eastern "Catholics" hold today is in blunt contradiction to what the Church taught, both in the early 1900s, at the Second Vatican Council, and today.[/quote]
Eastern Catholics simply refuse to identify being Catholic with being Latin. If that is a problem, so be it.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1782110' date='Feb 15 2009, 08:31 PM']So then is he indeed venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church?[/quote]
His feast day is not celebrated in your liturgy, but then neither is the feast day of St. Francis celebrated in ours.

We do not celebrate any of the particular feasts of the Roman Rite.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1782115' date='Feb 15 2009, 10:32 PM']Eastern Catholics simply refuse to identify being Catholic with being Latin. If that is a problem, so be it.[/quote]

Eastern Catholics are certainly just as Catholic as their Latin brethren in the eyes of the Church. However, the Church refuses to identify the rejection of dogmas defined and doctrines taught by Popes and Ecumenical Councils as Eastern.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1782124' date='Feb 15 2009, 08:36 PM']Eastern Catholics are certainly just as Catholic as their Latin brethren in the eyes of the Church. However, the Church refuses to identify the rejection of dogmas defined and doctrines taught by Popes and Ecumenical Councils as Eastern.[/quote]
You and I have had these discussions before, when you were using a different screen name, and I doubt we will come to an amicable agreement any time soon.

My Church celebrates the feasts of St. Gregory Palamas, St. Photios the Great, and several other saints that you would not recognize, but that is your loss. Whenever I talk to you on Phatmass I remember a professor of mine at FUS who once said that "too many of his theology students confuse small mindedness with orthodoxy."

[cmotherofpirl]

In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas

[Apotheoun]

Resurrexi,

If you want to have a theological debate on Triadology or Christology I am up for it. It should be interesting, because I can explain the theological reasons that moved me to become Byzantine Catholic.

God grant you many years.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1782134' date='Feb 15 2009, 10:42 PM']You and I have had these discussions before, when you were using a different screen name, and I doubt we will come to an amicable agreement any time soon.

My Church celebrates the feasts of St. Gregory Palamas, St. Photios the Great, and several other saints that you would not recognize, but that is your loss. Whenever I talk to you on Phatmass I remember a professor of mine at FUS who once said that "too many of his theology students confuse small mindedness with orthodoxy."[/quote]

I honestly don't see how recognizing that to be Catholic you have to accept the teachings of the Church, including the last 14 Ecumenical Councils, makes you small-minded.

BTW, I genuinely would like to know if the liturgical books that have feasts for Palamas, Photius, et al. have been approved by the Holy See...

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1782145' date='Feb 15 2009, 08:47 PM']I honestly don't see how recognizing that to be Catholic you have to accept the teachings of the Church, including the last 14 Ecumenical Councils, makes you small-minded.

BTW, I genuinely would like to know if the liturgical books that have feasts for Palamas, Photius, et al. have been approved by the Holy See...[/quote]
You are aware that there are deficiencies in the way that those fourteen Councils formulate doctrine, and that some of the things said at them contradict the things said by the Fathers prior to the first millennium.

Resurrexi,

Christ is one divine person in two natures, but how are we to understand that doctrine, do you subscribe to the Scholastic position even though it was condemned at the 5th Ecumenical Council?

[cmotherofpirl]

So you are assuming that Eastern Catholics would be using unapproved books and just pretend to be catholic?

[Apotheoun]

Resurrexi,

Do you make a real distinction ([i]pragmatika diakrisis[/i]) – without a division ([i]diairesis[/i]) – between nature and person in Triadology and Christology, or do you confuse these two realities as the Scholastics did?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1782152' date='Feb 15 2009, 08:51 PM']So you are assuming that Eastern Catholics would be using unapproved books and just pretend to be catholic?[/quote]
Yes, irony of ironies, the Ruthenian Recension of the Byzantine Slav Liturgy was promulgated by Rome in the 1940s. Yet, Resurrexi knows better than the Vatican who should be venerated in the Ruthenian Church.

[Resurrexi]

I am actually not aware of deficiencies in the teachings of the Ecumenical Council of the Church (except, [b]perhaps[/b], the section of the Decree for the Armenians that talks about the form of Holy Orders, but of course, that statement wasn't dogmatic).

How do you see that scholasticism contradicts Constantinople II?

[Apotheoun]

Resurrexi,

Do you confess with the Fathers of the 6th Ecumenical Council that person and energy are distinct? Or do you confuse these two realities and thereby fall into Monophysitism and Monotheletism?

Edited February 16, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1782152' date='Feb 15 2009, 10:51 PM']So you are assuming that Eastern Catholics would be using unapproved books and just pretend to be catholic?[/quote]

I was under the impression that Eastern liturgical books merely needed the recognition of the Eparch of the eparchy or Patriarch of the sui iuris Church.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Resurrexi