Forest Fire Jihad In Australia?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='rachael' post='1781565' date='Feb 15 2009, 03:15 PM']I beg to differ.[/quote]

I have no problems with you so I am confused as to where this is coming from. I did not report anyone on this thread and when I have reported people before, I notify them in some way. Unless you are a Moderator (who sees the reports), you really cannot refute that.

Apologies to IceP, I just had to say that and will stick to being on-topic now.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='rachael' post='1781567' date='Feb 15 2009, 04:16 PM'][/quote]


What is this supposed to be, Rachel? You (along with everyone) were asked to get back on topic by a moderator, and you respond with a tongue-wagging emoticon? Why do you insist on treating other people's threads in such a disrespectful manner? If you don't have something to offer on the topic, then there's no reason to post at all. You have been asked to stop this on numerous occasions in numerous threads. Very curious as to why you think it's okay to be deliberately disruptive in a thread that you clearly have no interest in the topic. And you would be among the first to call someone out as "uncharitable" and "unChristian" if you don't like someone's comment or opinion in another thread. Please show the same restraint that you would expect from others.

[rachael]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1781580' date='Feb 15 2009, 04:31 PM']What is this supposed to be, Rachel? You (along with everyone) were asked to get back on topic by a moderator, and you respond with a tongue-wagging emoticon? Why do you insist on treating other people's threads in such a disrespectful manner? If you don't have something to offer on the topic, then there's no reason to post at all. You have been asked to stop this on numerous occasions in numerous threads. Very curious as to why you think it's okay to be deliberately disruptive in a thread that you clearly have no interest in the topic. And you would be among the first to call someone out as "uncharitable" and "unChristian" if you don't like someone's comment or opinion in another thread. Please show the same restraint that you would expect from others.[/quote]
You know, I thought you wouldn't have any interest in what my thoughts and opinions are anyways, seeing as you 'blocked' me some time ago.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='rachael' post='1781593' date='Feb 15 2009, 04:47 PM']You know, I thought you wouldn't have any interest in what my thoughts and opinions are anyways, seeing as you 'blocked' me some time ago. [/quote]


Racheal, please do as the moderator asked, and get on topic. And, since it seems to be really important to you, I haven't had anyone on "ignore" in a number of months now.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1781580' date='Feb 15 2009, 04:31 PM']What is this supposed to be, Rachel? You (along with everyone) were asked to get back on topic by a moderator, and you respond with a tongue-wagging emoticon? Why do you insist on treating other people's threads in such a disrespectful manner? If you don't have something to offer on the topic, then there's no reason to post at all. You have been asked to stop this on numerous occasions in numerous threads. Very curious as to why you think it's okay to be deliberately disruptive in a thread that you clearly have no interest in the topic. And you would be among the first to call someone out as "uncharitable" and "unChristian" if you don't like someone's comment or opinion in another thread. Please show the same restraint that you would expect from others.[/quote]


She also needs to stop introducing ideas to underage persons about baileys milkshakes with brownies


Sometimes it's a good idea to just put things in a bubble and let them go. Otherwise one could do domething like totally overreact to a silly smily face

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1781607' date='Feb 15 2009, 05:05 PM']She also needs to stop introducing ideas to underage persons about baileys milkshakes with brownies


Sometimes it's a good idea to just put things in a bubble and let them go. Otherwise one could do domething like totally overreact to a silly smily face [/quote]


GET. ON. TOPIC. PLEASE. As per the moderator.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1781514' date='Feb 15 2009, 03:00 PM']This is my pet peeve, when people say what Islam means. Islam does not mean peace, as in kumbaya. And Islam does not mean submission as in, as in, submit to the invading muslim hoards

Islam means "submission to the will of God." In Christianity the obsession is love. In Islam, it is not about love. The obsession is perfect submission and obedience to God. That is why they pray the way they do, in the submissive pose.

There are more than 70 different Muslim sects in the world And they all have their different interpretations of their scripture. They are a lot like Protestants that way. There are even "Quaran Aloners" who don't believe in adding any hadiths to the book.

As Catholics we know that you cannot read anything in a vacume. "I have come not to bring peace, but a sword" does not mean we should draw swords against non Christians. "Call no man father" does not mean we can't call anyone father.

If you read through the Qu'ran and just take the literal interpretation of everything, you will get as much out of it as you'd get from reading any piece of literature that way. Which is not much. It is hard to find out what Muslims believe because they believe all kinds of different things. I found this out during my pagan days when I briefly considered converting to Islam.

I know people who say "If Islam is a religion of peace, then where is the outrage and protest from the majority of Muslims when a minority of them act like idiots?"

And yet here, in the article posted, there are some Muslims clicking their heels in glee over the fires. And then there is a prominent member of the Muslim community, a man who I know regularly gives lectures about how religion promotes peace, denouncing them and saying they don't know what they're talking about.

And then there is Madame Vengier saying that she knows and understands what the Qu'ran "really" says better than he, a devout Islamic scholar, does.

It really sounds arrogant.[/quote]

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1781616' date='Feb 15 2009, 04:08 PM'][/quote]

[Maggyie]

So I would like this clarified? There has been one arrest made and the suspect is not a [s]Communist [/s] Muslim? Has nothing to do with [s]Judaism [/s]Islam at all? Just wanted to be clear about that.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1780472' date='Feb 14 2009, 12:56 AM']Thread hijacking is rarely a deliberate act. It's an accident most of the time, I think. You could try asking nice. Or you could try ignoring it. When you bring the drama, it just extends the life of the thing.[/quote]

Lillabettt is right. The more y'all keep going on and on about the thread getting hijacked the longer it's going to stay derailed.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1781625' date='Feb 15 2009, 05:16 PM'][/quote]


Is agreeing with a post that is on topic now off topic?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1781630' date='Feb 15 2009, 05:20 PM']So I would like this clarified? There has been one arrest made and the suspect is not a [s]Communist [/s] Muslim? Has nothing to do with [s]Judaism [/s]Islam at all? Just wanted to be clear about that.[/quote]

[Lilllabettt]

Yes, I'm not calling you arrogant, Madame. I'm saying it sounds really arrogant and dismissive, what you said. Why shouldn't the gentleman quoted be given the benefit of the doubt, that he has devoted his life to Islamic scholarship and so maybe he has a legitimate point.

What is your goal with these things, Madame? Is your goal to convince the West that Islam is evil and Muslims should be treated with suspicion and hostility? Or are your trying to proselytize Muslims by convincing them their religion is evil? (not a good strategy)

Or do you want peace?

If we want peace, then why should we disagree with a scholar who says Islam does not condone violence? Shouldn't we be encouraging and strengthening and amplifying those voices instead of ridiculing them and dismissing them?

Do we really welcome voices within Islam saying No, Enough, This is wrong, This is not True Islam. Or do we prefer silence because it allows us to make rhetorical points (See!!! Islam = EVIL!!!)

[Hassan]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1781642' date='Feb 15 2009, 05:24 PM']Yes, I'm not calling you arrogant, Madame. I'm saying it sounds really arrogant and dismissive, what you said. Why shouldn't the gentleman quoted be given the benefit of the doubt, that he has devoted his life to Islamic scholarship and so maybe he has a legitimate point.

What is your goal with these things, Madame? Is your goal to convince the West that Islam is evil and Muslims should be treated with suspicion and hostility? Or are your trying to proselytize Muslims by convincing them their religion is evil? (not a good strategy)

Or do you want peace?

If we want peace, then why should we disagree with a scholar who says Islam does not condone violence? Shouldn't we be encouraging and strengthening and amplifying those voices instead of ridiculing them and dismissing them?

Do we really welcome voices within Islam saying No, Enough, This is wrong, This is not True Islam. Or do we prefer silence because it allows us to make rhetorical points (See!!! Islam = EVIL!!!)[/quote]

Interesting question

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' post='1781632' date='Feb 15 2009, 05:20 PM']Lillabettt is right. The more y'all keep going on and on about the thread getting hijacked the longer it's going to stay derailed.[/quote]


So there's no responsibility to be born by those who enter a thread for the sole purpose of making DELIBERATE off-topic comments? The responsibility lies solely on others to "just ignore it"? One the one hand, there is a denial that hijacking happens deliberately, while on the other hand placing the burden on others to either "ignore" or deal with the consequences of what is clearly a deliberate attempt to hijack a thread. It almost sounds like something similar to "blame the victim". I'm not seeing the justice in that.