Forest Fire Jihad In Australia?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1779228' date='Feb 11 2009, 09:34 PM']Hmmm yeah but see being forewarned and forearmed is not necessarily a good thing. It's what you're not forewarned about that you have to worry about. Pre- 9/11, everyone assumed that if they ever came over here, they'd be blowing up buses, intifada style. In DC, the mayor had the Mossad come over and give the cops tips. They were thinking inside the box, and they let other things slip through.

See, if you expect a certain attack, you can plan and get ready. But as you prepare for this certain kind of attack, your flexibility diminishes. At the end of the graph, you're super prepared for what you think is coming. But if something different does come along, you will be unable to respond.

That is the debate, in the security establishment, whether it's better to be a little less prepared and more flexible or vice versa.[/quote]
Its a mistake to think its an either/or situation.
We have to think of all possibilities and prepare the best we can for each.
Its like when you own a house, a dog to deal with intruders, [b]and[/b] a cat to deal with the mice.

[Hassan]

[quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1777843' date='Feb 10 2009, 10:36 AM']What I'm [i]really[/i] concerned about is how the Muslims smuggle guitars into our churches to break down the Liturgy.[/quote]




How'd you find out about that!?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1777817' date='Feb 10 2009, 09:24 AM']Just a thought. From September 2008:

Source: [url="http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1"]http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-gr...53.html?page=-1[/url]

[b]Islam group urges forest fire jihad[/b]
Josh Gordon
September 7, 2008

[b]AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.[/b]

[b]US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands".[/b]

The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine.

The posting - which instructs jihadis to remember "forest jihad" in summer months - says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that "this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time".

[b]"Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organisation were to claim responsibility for the forest fires," the website says. "You can hardly begin to imagine the level of fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia and in Australia."[/b]

[b]With the nation heading into another hot, dry summer, Australian intelligence agencies are treating the possibility that bushfires could be used as a weapon of terrorism as a serious concern.[/b]

Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the Federal Government remained "vigilant against such threats", [b]warning that anyone caught lighting a fire as a weapon of terror would feel the wrath of anti-terror laws.[/b]

"Any information that suggests a threat to Australia's interests is investigated by relevant agencies as appropriate," Mr McClelland said.

Adam Dolnik, director of research at the University of Wollongong's Centre for Transnational Crime Prevention, said that bushfires (unlike suicide bombing) were generally not considered a glorious type of attack by jihadis, in keeping with a recent decline in the sophistication of terrorist operations.

"With attacks like bushfires, yes, it would be easy. It would be very damaging and we do see a decreasing sophistication as a part of terrorist attacks," Dr Dolnik said.

"In recent years, there have been quite a few attacks averted and it has become more and more difficult for groups to do something effective."

Dr Dolnik said he had observed an increase in traffic on jihadi websites calling for a simplification of terrorist attacks because the more complex operations had been failing. [b]But starting bushfires was still often regarded as less effective than other operations because governments could easily deny terrorism as the cause.[/b]

The internet posting by the little-known group claimed the idea of forest fires had been attributed to imprisoned Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Al-Suri. [b]It said Al-Suri had urged terrorists to use sulphuric acid and petrol to start forest fires.[/b][/quote]


Cool!


But it's kind of stale, I'm going to blame the Jews.

It's kind of retro, plus I'm half German.

It's ok, I don't think that blaming a religious minority in a region for a fire without evidence has ever caused any harm

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1779311' date='Feb 11 2009, 11:38 PM']Cool!


But it's kind of stale, I'm going to blame the Jews.

It's kind of retro, plus I'm half German.

It's ok, I don't think that blaming a religious minority in a region for a fire without evidence has ever caused any harm [/quote]
Especially when that religious minority gives advance notice of their intentions.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1779208' date='Feb 11 2009, 08:14 PM']Actually MV's thread have been hijacked. It is a legitimate concern since the article was posted months before the fires. The Aussies are treating this a deliberate crime scene. Its rather naive to hide your head under a rock cause sometimes people really are out to get you. From a security point of view forewarned IS forearmed.[/quote]
Yes, they are OFTEN hijacked. And while deliberately hijacking someone's thread is not against the phorum guidelines, it is really rude.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1780054' date='Feb 13 2009, 04:56 PM']Especially when that religious minority gives advance notice of their intentions.[/quote]

Which was the only point of my posting the article. It doesn't look well for Muslims when a bunch of them go encouraging their co-religionists to start bush fires as part of jihad, because when bush fires actually happen and 200 people are killed and thousands displaced from their ruined homes, who is the community going to look at?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1779198' date='Feb 11 2009, 09:02 PM']So, you really think there is an orchestrated, deliberate attempt to hijack your threads.[/quote]

Ask [u]yourself[/u] that, Lillllabettt, the next time you enter a thread I've started and post comments that have NO relation to the topic at all and are aimed at mocking or making sarcastic jabs in my direction. Like you've done numerous times before.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1779195' date='Feb 11 2009, 09:00 PM']Listen Al Qaeda etc. is always going to be ginning people up for jihad.[/quote]

So we should just ignore all threats then. And when something happens that exactly matches a threat made by a jihadist we mustn't dare even consider the idea that they might have been the ones who did it.

You make jihadists sound like a bunch of highschool pranksters, really.

Edited February 14, 2009 by Madame Vengier

[dauntingknight]

Can't We all just get along for a week.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='dauntingknight' post='1780254' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:04 PM']Can't We all just get along for a week.[/quote]


I'm sorry, but you need to direct that to those who hijacked my thread.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1780230' date='Feb 13 2009, 08:49 PM']Which was the only point of my posting the article. It doesn't look well for Muslims when a bunch of them go encouraging their co-religionists to start bush fires as part of jihad, because when bush fires actually happen and 200 people are killed and thousands displaced from their ruined homes, who is the community going to look at?[/quote]


Well assuming a lot of Australians prolly arn't reading arabic posts on radical muslim websights and there is no evidence as of yet that muslim terrorist groups had any involvement whatsoever the community probably wouldn't look at any particular religious minority but simply wait for some actual evidence to come in. That is untill the internet conspiracy mill gets a going.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1780295' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:33 PM']Well assuming a lot of Australians prolly arn't reading arabic posts on radical muslim websights and there is no evidence as of yet that muslim terrorist groups had any involvement whatsoever the community probably wouldn't look at any particular religious minority but simply wait for some actual evidence to come in. That is untill the internet conspiracy mill gets a going.[/quote]


Pointing out a valid connection isn't a conspiracy anywhere but your mind. Your the one with conspiracy on the brain.

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1780237' date='Feb 13 2009, 08:51 PM']Ask [u]yourself[/u] that, Lillllabettt, the next time you enter a thread I've started and post comments that have NO relation to the topic at all and are aimed at mocking or making sarcastic jabs in my direction. Like you've done numerous times before.[/quote]


Oh no my cover has been blown ... now I have to return to my secret lair to plan my next nefarious thread hijack ...

Srsly, I don't think I've ever posted on one of your threads before. I do not remember you from my old PM days. Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else.

In the beginning of this thread, there was an off-topic joke deemed inappropriate by some. It was briefly discussed, and then the thread returned to a basically "on topic" discussion of the chances of fire jihad.

And then you returned the discussion to the off topic subject of the off-topic joke by chiming in that yes, you too thought it was inappropriate. at which point i said "i think its okay to let it go now", because in my opinion bringing it up again was pretty unnecessary, since it had already been hashed out earlier on.

And here we are now, still talking about it.

Thread hijacking is rarely a deliberate act. It's an accident most of the time, I think. You could try asking nice. Or you could try ignoring it. When you bring the drama, it just extends the life of the thing.

Edited February 14, 2009 by Lilllabettt

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1780383' date='Feb 13 2009, 11:18 PM']Pointing out a valid connection isn't a conspiracy anywhere but your mind. Your the one with conspiracy on the brain.[/quote]


What conspiracy do I have on the brain?

[HisChildForever]

[quote]And then you returned the discussion to the off topic subject of the off-topic joke by chiming in that yes, you too thought it was inappropriate. at which point i said "i think its okay to let it go now", because in my opinion bringing it up again was pretty unnecessary, since it had already been hashed out earlier on.[/quote]

Her comment about the joke being inappropriate was her [u]second[/u] post in [u]her[/u] thread, the first post being, well, the original post. There was nothing to "let go" as she made [u]one[/u] comment about it.

[quote]Thread hijacking is rarely a deliberate act. It's an accident most of the time, I think.[/quote]

Right, [i]especially[/i] in this case, when the first reply to her thread was a deliberate off-topic joke in the face of an incredibly serious issue.

Edited February 14, 2009 by HisChildForever