osapientia Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1775068' date='Feb 7 2009, 02:51 PM']No problem. I posted my comment only because I believe it is important for Catholics (and Christians in general) to think in a theologically holistic fashion. The doctrine of the incarnation permeates all of Catholic tradition, and of course the Mystery of Crowning (i.e., marriage) is no exception, for it is an icon of the union between Christ and the Church, and the Church would never be described as "independent" of Christ, who is her head.[/quote] How lovely - what a wonderful way to explain it. Thank you. Amen Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1775077' date='Feb 7 2009, 01:58 PM']Well, I never said that, but of course... you wouldn't know that... [/quote] I really do not appreciate the attitude. I was asking if you believe X, then would this also hold true for Y. Forgive me for trying to continue discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='osapientia' post='1775085' date='Feb 7 2009, 04:04 PM']How lovely - what a wonderful way to explain it. Thank you. Amen Amen.[/quote] Go to the sandwhich and marriage thread. You can be the legal whatever. I just need out of this relationship. He is driving me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1775087' date='Feb 7 2009, 04:05 PM']I really do not appreciate the attitude. I was asking if you believe X, then would this also hold true for Y. Forgive me for trying to continue discussion.[/quote] You never asked me if I believed anything. You said I did. Then you criticized me and compared me to anti-whatevers who think women shouldn't work and so on. Then (and I give you this) you said "if this offends you I am sorry" Then when I told you to calm down and re-read the post you said, "I did, and I stand by what I said." It was all very hurtful toward me. Shame on you. tsk tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1775098' date='Feb 7 2009, 02:15 PM']You never asked me if I believed anything. You said I did.[/quote] Where? Because I just reread the post I made and nowhere did I state "You believe..." (Other than where I said it sounded like you were [b]implying[/b], which I address below.) [quote]Then you criticized me and compared me to anti-whatevers who think women shouldn't work and so on.[/quote] I said it was [b]a side note[/b]. I never made such a comparison. I also said that you were [b]implying[/b] "that the only way for a woman to be truly feminine is if she is married." That certainly does not mean that you believe a woman should not work. I never said that. (And do recall I also said [i]forgive me if I am mistaken[/i].) [quote]Then (and I give you this) you said "if this offends you I am sorry" Then when I told you to calm down and re-read the post you said, "I did, and I stand by what I said." It was all very hurtful toward me. Shame on you. tsk tsk[/quote] I [b]am[/b] sorry if I offended you, but I was being honest and I never apologize for honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Don't hate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thank God the argument about the argument is behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote][/quote][quote name='Hassan' post='1775047' date='Feb 7 2009, 01:41 PM'] Why am I sitting here without a sandwich? Shouldn't one you women be doing something to correct that Please don't hurt me [/quote] I was making a thread reference joke. hahaha [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1775064' date='Feb 7 2009, 01:48 PM']If this board turns lame I will no longer be posting.[/quote] I disagree with topics becoming lame. I feel like I cannot be "me" in serious threads. I am serious when I need to be but I also make jokes during the serious things. I either can't make a joke and stick strictly to the topic or stay out completely. [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1775074' date='Feb 7 2009, 01:55 PM'](Sorry for multiple posts in a row.) I would like to point something out - if we are saying that a woman can be both feminine and independent, [i]just not at the same time[/i], then can we also say that a man can be both masculine and sensitive, [i]just not at the same time[/i]? Furthermore, since when we "feminine" and "masculine" characteristics? I thought that a woman is feminine at her core, just as a man is masculine at his, and that nothing can change this. I also want to continue to say (as I voiced earlier) that I just really despise "oh that is a female characteristic" and "oh that is a male characteristic." This is precisely why more adolescent males than females commit suicide. Sound extreme? Society tells our boys that crying and seeking help for emotional conflict [inner or outer] is "girly" and "weak." They keep their emotions inward (except anger, which disturbingly enough, they are [b]allowed[/b] to express) which leads to depression and in many cases, suicide.[/quote] There is a time and place to bring forth our greatest qualities. I listed some of my traits earilier. Those are not all of them but I was illustrating a point. I am a whole being. All those traits exist in me at the same time. However, you bring forth the ones you need at the time you need them. All humans have a sensitive side to them. Even criminals have a sensitive side to them. They may exhibit it in a different way but they sympathize with others. What you are expressing are societial views of the genders and their role specific traits. These have been ingrained in us since the beginning of time. However, my father is one of the strongest men on the face of this planet. He fights for our family. He exhibits all the traits that a "manly man" would have. He, according to society, is the model for men. However, he cries. He shows love. He held each one of his children in his arms with such tender care. So unmanly right? No, it is just the fact that he set aside his stronger character traits to let the others show through. Time and place. [quote]Furthermore, since when we "feminine" and "masculine" characteristics? I thought that a woman is feminine at her core, just as a man is masculine at his, and that nothing can change this.[/quote] YES! That is why I used quotes around them. It seemed that people are assigning traits to those words. I can understand a societial assignment of A GROUP OF TRAITS but they are not necessarily traits in and of themselves. I also want to say that this really has nothing to do with marriage. I saw that marriage was mentioned a couple of times in this thread. I have my own view on marriage and the roles within it. I will not bring that up here. However, a man's and a woman's character traits must compliment each other. Or they must learn to subdue their own traits at the right TIME AND PLACE. Meg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I love your posts, Meg. What I meant about topics turning lame is really about topics getting off-topic in a silly way (as plenty of topics do get off-topic but the discussion stays serious). A couple of jokes thrown around in a serious thread is fine by me, it's those few yet consistent nonsense posts that I find tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1775167' date='Feb 7 2009, 04:12 PM']I love your posts, Meg. What I meant about topics turning lame is really about topics getting off-topic in a silly way (as plenty of topics do get off-topic but the discussion stays serious). A couple of jokes thrown around in a serious thread is fine by me, it's those few yet consistent nonsense posts that I find tiresome.[/quote] Nonsense? Like this [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=90398&st=20&start=20"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...20&start=20[/url] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1775400' date='Feb 7 2009, 10:16 PM']Nonsense? Like this [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=90398&st=20&start=20"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...20&start=20[/url] ? [/quote] Our marriage is falling apart and they are calling it nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1775406' date='Feb 7 2009, 09:19 PM']Our marriage is falling apart and they are calling it nonsense. [/quote] It's really very sad that they ignore the problem. I mean we give, and give, and give and then when we're in a rut they don't even try to help. What a bunch of ingrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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