cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [url="http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article5662099.ece"]http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_an...icle5662099.ece[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote]I thought that men would love independent, strong women, but (in general) they don't appear to. Men are programmed to like their women soft and feminine.[/quote] Not so sure about this statement because women can be "soft and feminine" [b]and[/b] "independent and strong" at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1774389' date='Feb 7 2009, 12:15 AM']Not so sure about this statement because women can be "soft and feminine" [b]and[/b] "independent and strong" at the same time.[/quote] Have you tried it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1774394' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:17 PM']Have you tried it?[/quote] Have I tried what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Being soft, feminine, independent and strong all at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1774399' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:20 PM']Being soft, feminine, independent and strong all at the same time?[/quote] I have not yet experienced financial independence (if that is what you mean) but as soon as I graduate (most likely grad school) I have every intention of living in my own place and taking care of myself. Can I not live on my own and pursue a career while dressing and acting feminine? Or am I expected to dress like a boy? I am not understanding this. I have a very independent personality but that certainly does not stop me from looking the way I look and acting the way I act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1774412' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:30 PM']I have not yet experienced financial independence (if that is what you mean) but as soon as I graduate (most likely grad school) I have every intention of living in my own place and taking care of myself. Can I not live on my own and pursue a career while dressing and acting feminine? Or am I expected to dress like a boy? I am not understanding this. I have a very independent personality but that certainly does not stop me from looking the way I look and acting the way I act.[/quote] I understand what your saying. but in the context of the entire article I don't think 'soft and feminine' is speaking simply of appearances. That is why the author says she has a clinging regret of being the mom holding the baby while making dinner. This is the soft and feminine I believe she is speaking of. Could be wrong, but thats how I read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1774419' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:35 PM']I understand what your saying. but in the context of the entire article I don't think 'soft and feminine' is speaking simply of appearances. That is why the author says she has a clinging regret of being the mom holding the baby while making dinner. This is the soft and feminine I believe she is speaking of. Could be wrong, but thats how I read the article.[/quote] Oh. Well, a married woman with children can be strong and independent. Why does "strong and independent" have to be a negative thing?? Why are "soft and feminine" and "strong and independent" mutually exclusive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1774426' date='Feb 7 2009, 12:41 AM']Oh. Well, a married woman with children can be strong and independent. Why does "strong and independent" have to be a negative thing?? Why are "soft and feminine" and "strong and independent" mutually exclusive?[/quote] I think a woman can be all of those things, but not at the same time, or just one set exclusively to the determent of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1774426' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:41 PM']Oh. Well, a married woman with children can be strong and independent. Why does "strong and independent" have to be a negative thing?? Why are "soft and feminine" and "strong and independent" mutually exclusive?[/quote] I don't know. But as a guy, I have to agree with the author. For me, those types are too, maybe intimidating? I dunno. It is definitely not attractive. Just me though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1774437' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:46 PM']I think a woman can be all of those things, but not at the same time, or just one set exclusively to the determent of the other.[/quote] Can you give me an example when a woman cannot be feminine and independent at the same time? Can a man be masculine and independent at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' post='1774440' date='Feb 7 2009, 12:48 AM']I don't know. But as a guy, I have to agree with the author. For me, those types are too, maybe intimidating? I dunno. It is definitely not attractive. Just me though...[/quote] No its not just you. Most men want to be the knight in shining armor for their lady of choice. Strong and independent can make that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1774446' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:51 PM']No its not just you. Most men want to be the knight in shining armor for their lady of choice. Strong and independent can make that difficult.[/quote] So are you saying that "soft and feminine" and "strong and independent" are opposites? would that imply that "soft and feminine" is "weak and dependent"? I think Sarah Palin is the perfect example for a woman who is feminine and independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1774389' date='Feb 7 2009, 12:15 AM']Not so sure about this statement because women can be "soft and feminine" [b]and[/b] "independent and strong" at the same time.[/quote] lol, that is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1774446' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:51 PM']No its not just you. Most men want to be the knight in shining armor for their lady of choice. Strong and independent can make that difficult.[/quote] Seriously now. A woman can be living on her own and pursuing her dream job and still graciously accept her date paying for the dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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