How Young Is Too Young For The Death Penalty?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1773215' date='Feb 5 2009, 04:44 PM']LOL or force them to listen to use debating...-Katie[/quote]

I think that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment..

Especially when it comes to discussing holocaust-denying bishops' opinions on NFP by newlyweds and how that wouldn't be a problem if Ron Paul were president.

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Thursday, February 05, 2009

TAMPA —According to the Florida Department of Health, the mother, waiting for the abortion doctor, went into labor and delivered a live baby girl. the baby was put in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
"The baby was just treated as a piece of garbage,"

the Department of Health believes -----so-in-so---- committed malpractice by failing to ensure that licensed personnel would be present when ----so-in-so----- was there, among other missteps.

the only crime committed, according to the Florida Department of Health was not having licensed personnel present for this (sanctioned) death penalty execution.

Edited February 6, 2009 by apparently

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='apparently' post='1774181' date='Feb 6 2009, 07:39 PM']Thursday, February 05, 2009

TAMPA —According to the Florida Department of Health, the mother, waiting for the abortion doctor, went into labor and delivered a live baby girl. the baby was put in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
"The baby was just treated as a piece of garbage,"

the Department of Health believes -----so-in-so---- committed malpractice by failing to ensure that licensed personnel would be present when ----so-in-so----- was there, among other missteps.

the only crime committed, according to the Florida Department of Health was not having licensed personnel present for this (sanctioned) death penalty execution.[/quote]
Yeah instead of wasting a garbage bag he probably would have done something simple like just strangle her or something...

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1773586' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:25 AM']I think that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment..

Especially when it comes to discussing holocaust-denying bishops' opinions on NFP by newlyweds and how that wouldn't be a problem if Ron Paul were president.[/quote]

LOL seriously (and I'm including myself in the debaters who would drive people crazy!)-Katie

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1771255' date='Feb 3 2009, 03:17 PM']+J.M.J.+
btw, i'm not saying i advocate for the death penalty in his case. just trying to play devil's advocate. i think a life sentence would be appropriate though.[/quote]

If I were 13 and looking at a life sentence, I might almost prefer death.

If I were the state looking to impose a maximum penalty, I'd go for life imprisonment.

Wow, 13 years old would be an awful time to go to jail forever.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='VoTeckam' post='1771267' date='Feb 3 2009, 04:31 PM']Oh I'd say executing anyone under 175 is immoral and unnecessary in America...[/quote]
Agreed.

According to the state, though, you can be killed at as young as a couple of days, for the crime of preparing for birth when your mother doesn't want you to.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1778501' date='Feb 10 2009, 10:34 PM']If I were 13 and looking at a life sentence, I might almost prefer death.[/quote]
That's not really how we look at it though... They'd probably think they would prefer that, but at the end of the day... doubt it.

[KnightofChrist]

Again, Abortion and The Death Penalty are not the same thing, nor are they by any means on the same level. But it would seem that some here are still confusing and blurring the lines between the two.

Abortion is unquestionably and always, always, always, immoral. The Death Penalty when used justly is moral, even if you are personal for it or against it.

Edited February 11, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1778558' date='Feb 11 2009, 01:46 AM']Again, Abortion and The Death Penalty are not the same thing, nor are they by any means on the same level. But it would seem that some here are still confusing and blurring the lines between the two.[/quote]
If you're referring to my post, you're preaching to the choir.
I'm still anti-death penalty, at least in this country. It is an unnecessary punitive measure in a country where we have more than enough security in our prisons to contain even the most cunning criminals that is typically just exacted for some feeling of revenge.
The evil of abortion still trumps it by degrees of magnitude, though.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1779239' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:12 PM']If you're referring to my post, you're preaching to the choir.
I'm still anti-death penalty, at least in this country. It is an unnecessary punitive measure in a country where we have more than enough security in our prisons to contain even the most cunning criminals that is typically just exacted for some feeling of revenge.
The evil of abortion still trumps it by degrees of magnitude, though.[/quote]

It was to others as well, thanks for clearing it up. And to sum up the last couple pages. Punishment (capital or otherwise) has the [b]primary[/b] aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. Protecting society is very important but it is not the primary reason. Non-violent criminals in prison and prison guards are just as much as part of society, as those outside prison and must be protected.

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1779239' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:12 PM']If you're referring to my post, you're preaching to the choir.
I'm still anti-death penalty, at least in this country. It is an unnecessary punitive measure in a country where we have more than enough security in our prisons to contain even the most cunning criminals that is typically just exacted for some feeling of revenge.
The evil of abortion still trumps it by degrees of magnitude, though.[/quote]

Agreed. -Katie

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1779243' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:20 PM']It was to others as well, thanks for clearing it up. And to sum up the last couple pages. Punishment (capital or otherwise) has the [b]primary[/b] aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. Protecting society is very important but it is not the primary reason. Non-violent criminals in prison and prison guards are just as much as part of society, as those outside prison and must be protected.[/quote]

Wouldn't the aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense be to protect society? -Katie

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1779245' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:23 PM']Wouldn't the aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense be to protect society? -Katie[/quote]

No. It is punishment or retribution that redresses the disorder introduced by the offense.

[Tinkerlina]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1779246' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:26 PM']No. It is punishment or retribution that redresses the disorder introduced by the offense.[/quote]

I don't really understand that in light of the New Testament-wouldn't that be "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" which I thought was not necessary since Christ's incarnation. Doesn't it say something about "vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord?" -Katie

Edited February 12, 2009 by Tinkerlina

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1779254' date='Feb 11 2009, 10:33 PM']I don't really understand that in light of the New Testament-wouldn't that be "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" which I thought was not necessary since Christ's incarnation. Doesn't it say something about "vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord?" -Katie[/quote]

The new testament supports the use of Capital Punishment, as shown earlier in the thread, so this null and voids your objection. The New Testament also teaches that the punishment must be equal to the crime committed. The only punishment truly equal to the crime of murder is capital punishment.