HisChildForever Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773808' date='Feb 6 2009, 10:53 AM']The child will likely suffer more if it is born into a situation where it is unwanted?[/quote] If the unborn child had a voice, what would he or she say? "Please kill me" or "I would like to live." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1773820' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:16 PM']If the unborn child had a voice, what would he or she say? "Please kill me" or "I would like to live."[/quote] Who knows. The unborn child does not know anything about life, the world, or the environment that it will be thrust into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) [quote name='alixr' post='1773808' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:53 AM']The child will likely suffer more if it is born into a situation where it is unwanted?[/quote] Because it will suffer, we should kill it? We all suffer. It is part of life. It is an unfortunate part, but it is there. I suffer. Should we kill me? You suffer in one way or another, should we take you apart with a vaccum and throw you in a garbage bag? "It will suffer so we should kill it so as to show it mercy" is not a good argument. Edited February 6, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773851' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:55 PM']Who knows. The unborn child does not know anything about life, the world, or the environment that it will be thrust into.[/quote] Killing a human being is wrong, no matter what it knows. A new born infant does not know anything about life, the world, or the environment it is in either. It is not doubt going to suffer in one way or another during it's lifetime. Should we kill it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773851' date='Feb 6 2009, 11:55 AM']Who knows. The unborn child does not know anything about life, the world, or the environment that it will be thrust into.[/quote] The child also does not know about happiness, beauty, love, forgiveness, family, friends, music, learning, excitement, grace, etc. - should we deny the child these things simply because he or she is going to be born into a broken home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1773854' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:59 PM']The child also does not know about happiness, beauty, love, forgiveness, family, friends, music, learning, excitement, grace, etc. - should we deny the child these things simply because he or she is going to be born into a broken home?[/quote] Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='Didacus' post='1773813' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:02 PM']Augustine says to the effect: I have met all sorts of people, from all parts of the world, and everyone regretted their miseries, but NONE have ever regretted having lived. It is categorically impossible to claim the child gains a benefit from abortion. Life may be ahrd, life may be painful, but life is always worth living. You cannot equate the value of life itself with the quality of life. Doing so opens the door to too many attrosities: If I was to kill a few homeless people to relive their miseries, would I be charged with murder?[/quote] I find it naive for anyone to say that no one ever regretted living, despite their miseries. Surely people who commit suicide have regretted living. Not only that, but a child who suffers and is abused/neglected during childhood has the potential for growing up with mental instabilities which might end up causing them to inflict harm on others later on in life. The cycle of abuse continues. That life is always worth living is an opinion. Of course you would be charged with murder if you killed homeless people; it is their decision to end or not end their lives. Which brings a gray area to the abortion issue because a baby cannot ask to be born or not to be born. But I find it irresponsible to bring one into the world that you are unwilling/unable to care for. Other people may be able to care for the child, but then again they may not. You risk making the child an even bigger victim by being physically/emotionally abandoned in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1773854' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:59 PM']The child also does not know about happiness, beauty, love, forgiveness, family, friends, music, learning, excitement, grace, etc. - should we deny the child these things simply because he or she is going to be born into a broken home?[/quote] Some children born into broken homes are never able to experience many of these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773863' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:12 PM']Some children born into broken homes are never able to experience many of these things.[/quote] Most people do not go through life without experiencing some or all of these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773808' date='Feb 6 2009, 10:53 AM']The child will likely suffer more if it is born into a situation where it is unwanted?[/quote] [b]except there is no such thing as an "unwanted" child...[/b] this is another invented term of the pro-abortion propaganda machine..... ...ever hear of adoption agencies? their lists are filled with couples wanting children..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) [quote name='alixr' post='1773862' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:08 PM']I find it naive for anyone to say that no one ever regretted living, despite their miseries. Surely people who commit suicide have regretted living. Not only that, but a child who suffers and is abused/neglected during childhood has the potential for growing up with mental instabilities which might end up causing them to inflict harm on others later on in life. The cycle of abuse continues. That life is always worth living is an opinion. Of course you would be charged with murder if you killed homeless people; it is their decision to end or not end their lives. Which brings a gray area to the abortion issue because a baby cannot ask to be born or not to be born. But I find it irresponsible to bring one into the world that you are unwilling/unable to care for. Other people may be able to care for the child, but then again they may not. You risk making the child an even bigger victim by being physically/emotionally abandoned in life.[/quote] People are going to suffer and endure trials during life. If we should "mercy kill" everyone who [b][i][u]might[/u][/i][/b] experience trials and hardships then none of us would exist. There is a possibility for everyone to have or experience physical or emotional abuse during life. Killing someone because they [i]might[/i] experience these things just isn't right. Do you think it was irresponsible for your parents to give you life? You [b]might[/b] have experienced that to. Edited February 6, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1773872' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:21 PM']People are going to suffer and endure trials during life. If we should "mercy kill" everyone who [b][i][u]might[/u][/i][/b] experience trials and hardships then none of us would exist. There is a possibility for everyone to have or experience physical or emotional abuse during life. Killing someone because they [i]might[/i] experience these things just isn't right. Do you think it was irresponsible for your parents to give you life? You [b]might[/b] have experienced that to.[/quote] I actually do think it was quite possibly irresponsible of my parents to give me life; the point is that a child who comes into the world already unwanted by its parents, who are also too selfish to give the child up for adoption and who are unable to provide quality care for the child, that child is set up to suffer. I just don't believe it is better to bring the child into an environment that will probably turn him into a person with psychological problems that may even develop into a tendency to cause deliberate suffering in others as a result of the lack of empathy and love the child got growing up. I believe it is far better to abort the child before it is developped enough to feel anything. Once the child is here, not part of the woman's body anymore, then no, there should be no "mercy killings." And I won't even go into the existentialism of whether or not we should mercy kill everyone so no one would exist, or why we exist in the first place, but there are worse things than death . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1773869' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:18 PM'][b]except there is no such thing as an "unwanted" child...[/b] this is another invented term of the pro-abortion propaganda machine..... ...ever hear of adoption agencies? their lists are filled with couples wanting children.....[/quote] When I use the term unwanted, I mean unwanted by the parents having it. Not everyone is unselfish enough to give their child up for adoption . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='alixr' post='1773878' date='Feb 6 2009, 12:34 PM']Once the child is here, not part of the woman's body anymore,[/quote] So would you agree that five minutes before the child is born, it is part of the woman's body, and thus one can "terminate" the pregnancy at that time and not be responsible for murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alixr Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1773881' date='Feb 6 2009, 01:39 PM']So would you agree that five minutes before the child is born, it is part of the woman's body, and thus one can "terminate" the pregnancy at that time and not be responsible for murder?[/quote] I'm kind of on the fence about this, but really, it is still a part of a woman's body at that point. It is attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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