KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 From: [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/"]RORATE CÆLI[/url] [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/fellay-jews-are.html"] Fellay: "The Jews are 'our elder brothers'.""Antisemitism has no place in our ranks."[/url] Strong words of the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, against any suspicion of Antisemitism. 1. First, in a declaration made yesterday to Famille Chrétienne, the French Catholic weekly, as reported by La Croix this Sunday: [indent]Bishop Bernard Fellay welcomed "Famille Chrétienne" [French Catholic weekly] on January 31, in his General House of Menzingen, Switzerland. He responded in particular to the accusations of Antisemitism cast at the Fraternity of Saint Pius X. "We evidently condemn every act of murder of the innocent. It is a crime that cries to heaven! Even more so when it is related to a people. We reject every accusation of Antisemitism. Completely and absolutely. We reject every form of approval of what happened under Hitler. This is something abominable. Christianity places Charity at a supreme level. Saint Paul, speaking of the Jews, proclaims, 'I wished myself to be an anathema [from Christ], for my brethren!" (Rom. 9, 3). The Jews are "our elder brothers" in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant. It is true that the acknowledgment of the coming of the Messiah separates us. "It is very interesting to notice that the Church did not await for the Council to prescribe courses of action regarding the Jews. Since the 30s, even during the war, several texts of Rome provide a very just position: the abominations of the Hitlerist regime must be condemned! 'Spiritually, we all Semites', Pope Pius XI had said. It is a truth which comes from Sacred Scripture itself, 'we are sons of Abraham,' Saint Paul also affirms." 2. Also by an e-mail message sent this Sunday to the Rev. Dr. Alcuin Reid (forwarded to several blogs): Statement by Dr Alcuin Reid: On Friday BBC Radio asked me to discuss recent events concerning the SSPX on 'The Sunday Programme' this morning. Following that request I asked the SSPX for comment on the issues to be discussed. Unfortunately Bishop Fellay's reply reached me only after the programme aired. His reply, wriiten for publication, states: "The position of Bishop Williamson is clearly not the position of our Society. Antisemitism has no place in our ranks. We follow fully God's commandments on justice and charity and the constant teaching of the Church. Antisemitism has been condemned by the Church. So do we condemn it. I fully agree with Fr Schmidberger's statement about Bishop Williamson's words." God bless you +Bernard Fellay[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 This was suppose to be in open mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1768862' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:39 PM']From: [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/"]RORATE CÆLI[/url] [url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/fellay-jews-are.html"] Fellay: "The Jews are 'our elder brothers'.""Antisemitism has no place in our ranks."[/url] Strong words of the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, against any suspicion of Antisemitism. 1. First, in a declaration made yesterday to Famille Chrétienne, the French Catholic weekly, as reported by La Croix this Sunday: [indent]Bishop Bernard Fellay welcomed "Famille Chrétienne" [French Catholic weekly] on January 31, in his General House of Menzingen, Switzerland. He responded in particular to the accusations of Antisemitism cast at the Fraternity of Saint Pius X. "We evidently condemn every act of murder of the innocent. It is a crime that cries to heaven! Even more so when it is related to a people. We reject every accusation of Antisemitism. Completely and absolutely. We reject every form of approval of what happened under Hitler. This is something abominable. Christianity places Charity at a supreme level. Saint Paul, speaking of the Jews, proclaims, 'I wished myself to be an anathema [from Christ], for my brethren!" (Rom. 9, 3). The Jews are "our elder brothers" in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant. It is true that the acknowledgment of the coming of the Messiah separates us. "It is very interesting to notice that the Church did not await for the Council to prescribe courses of action regarding the Jews. Since the 30s, even during the war, several texts of Rome provide a very just position: the abominations of the Hitlerist regime must be condemned! 'Spiritually, we all Semites', Pope Pius XI had said. It is a truth which comes from Sacred Scripture itself, 'we are sons of Abraham,' Saint Paul also affirms." 2. Also by an e-mail message sent this Sunday to the Rev. Dr. Alcuin Reid (forwarded to several blogs): Statement by Dr Alcuin Reid: On Friday BBC Radio asked me to discuss recent events concerning the SSPX on 'The Sunday Programme' this morning. Following that request I asked the SSPX for comment on the issues to be discussed. Unfortunately Bishop Fellay's reply reached me only after the programme aired. His reply, wriiten for publication, states: "The position of Bishop Williamson is clearly not the position of our Society. Antisemitism has no place in our ranks. We follow fully God's commandments on justice and charity and the constant teaching of the Church. Antisemitism has been condemned by the Church. So do we condemn it. I fully agree with Fr Schmidberger's statement about Bishop Williamson's words." God bless you +Bernard Fellay[/indent][/quote] Maybe they should start by repudiating their own website then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) What quotes on an real SSPX site approves of the holocaust by the Nazis? Edited February 2, 2009 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It is important that a man not confuse anti-Semitism (i.e., violent hatred of an ethnic group) with anti-Judaism (i.e., the rejection of the Rabbinic theological system developed after the time of Christ, and in opposition to Christian theology): the former is unacceptable, while the latter is necessary, that is, unless a man wishes to fall into the heresy of theological indifferentism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1768895' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:07 PM']What quotes on an real SSPX site approves of the holocaust by the Nazis?[/quote] I think she means the hostility with which they speak of the Jewish people. The following comes from their official website. [b] It is indeed very sad that the post-Conciliar Church has forgotten the elementary distinction described by Father Fahey, namely between opposition to Jewish Naturalism and hostility to the race. The door was opened to this, and to the subsequent acceptation of Judaism as a legitimate religion in the Vatican II Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, Nostra Aetate. After correctly pointing out that the Jewish authorities pressed for the death of Christ, and that neither all Jews at that time, nor today "can be charged with the crimes committed during his Passion," it then continues with the outrageous statement, so contrary to Sacred Scripture, that "the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this followed from holy Scripture." (§4) It is consequently considered that since the Church reproves every form of persecution, then we must respect their false national religion, regardless of the fact that its very existence is the sign of the curse of the national naturalism that has fallen upon them. [/b] The following is from their "theological conclusions" pertaining to the Jewish people. [b][u]Sixth Conclusion:[/u] Under pain of sin, Catholics cannot hate the Jewish people, cannot persecute them or prevent them to live, nor disturb them in their private practice of their laws and customs. But, they must nevertheless preserve themselves from the danger they represent. Catholics are not to enter into commercial, social, nor political relations which are bound hypocritically to seek the ruin of Christendom. Jews must not live together with Christians because this is what their own Jewish laws ordain and also because their errors and material superiority have virulent consequences among other peoples. If the other peoples reject these precautions, they will invite upon themselves these consequences, namely, to serve the Jewish people to whom belongs superiority in the kingdom of the material.[/b] And "Jewish and Christian People": [b] The relations of Christians and Jews cannot be governed by the common law of Christians, but only by an exceptional legislation which takes count of the theological status of the Jewish people. The Catholic Church’s teaching is that they should neither be eliminated from among us (as antisemitism seeks) nor given equality of rights, which leads to their superiority (as is advocated by liberalism or philosemitism). [/b] Some more friendliness towards the Jewish people: [b] The Catholic Church perceives the deep desire of the Jewish people to impose its material superiority and the guilt of Catholics who seek this people to get material gain. The enslaving of Christians and Christian nations began by the fault of Christians. If Christians wish to remain free, let them avoid entanglements with the Jewish people. It dominates in every branch of commerce and finance, in philosophy and the universities. Its action is felt in the consequences of the French Revolution, in the socialization of socialist countries, and in the slavery of Communism. If the Gentile people wishes for a civilization based on economic greatness and the comfortable life, with everything set at the epitome of organization and technical development–then it can have it, with the Jewish people as master and the all the rest as slaves.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Bishop Fellay has already disobeyed two popes. Why should his priests obey[i] him?[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I wouldn't have posted this in the SSPX thread if I would have seen someone posted it here already. Edited February 2, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1768909' date='Feb 1 2009, 09:12 PM']It is important that a man not confuse anti-Semitism (i.e., violent hatred of an ethnic group) with anti-Judaism (i.e., the rejection of the Rabbinic theological system developed after the time of Christ, and in opposition to Christian theology): the former is unacceptable, while the latter is necessary, that is, unless a man wishes to fall into the heresy of theological indifferentism.[/quote] Agreed, and this anti-Judaism would apply to much of the quotes from the SSPX sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1768873' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:46 PM']Maybe they should start by repudiating their own website then.[/quote] Totally agree with that. If they want to show their true intent to come into full communion with the Church, they need to send clear messages in all spheres. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1769174' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:15 AM']Agreed, and this anti-Judaism would apply to much of the quotes from the SSPX sites.[/quote] Not really-Christians should avoid entanglements with the Jews because of their influences in finance, etc-that is almost VERBATIM what Hitler accused the Jews of, which, in turn, garnered public sympathy for later anti-Semitic laws and eventually the full blown Holocaust. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1768895' date='Feb 1 2009, 09:07 PM']What quotes on an real SSPX site approves of the holocaust by the Nazis?[/quote] It doesn't approve of the Holocaust but it seems to blame the Jewish people for Christ's Death, imo, whereas I always understood that ALL OF US are responsible for Christ's death, because it was a voluntary sacrificial act of love to save us. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1769219' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:44 AM']Not really-Christians should avoid entanglements with the Jews because of their influences in finance, etc-that is almost VERBATIM what Hitler accused the Jews of, which, in turn, garnered public sympathy for later anti-Semitic laws and eventually the full blown Holocaust. -Katie[/quote] I'm sorry I meant to have said reading the whole page(s) those quotes come from as a whole that the quotes are more anti-Judaism. But I was using my ipod to respond. Also by say 'much' I did not mean all. It would seem somethings said sound bad, but I do not know if I am prepared to accuse priests of speaking verbatim of Hitler, when that doesn't at it's core seem to be the case. What seems to be the core of issue the fathers have is anti-Judaism, thou at times they do take it too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1769246' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:01 AM']It doesn't approve of the Holocaust but it seems to blame the Jewish people for Christ's Death, imo, whereas I always understood that ALL OF US are responsible for Christ's death, because it was a voluntary sacrificial act of love to save us. -Katie[/quote] For at very least for the Jews at the time who shouted crucify him, crucify him! Both are true that is all of us, and the jews that reject Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1769248' date='Feb 2 2009, 01:03 AM']I'm sorry I meant to have said reading the whole page(s) those quotes come from as a whole that the quotes are more anti-Judaism. But I was using my ipod to respond. Also by say 'much' I did not mean all. It would seem somethings said sound bad, but I do not know if I am prepared to accuse priests of speaking verbatim of Hitler, when that doesn't at it's core seem to be the case. What seems to be the core of issue the fathers have is anti-Judaism, thou at times they do take it too far.[/quote] I know you didn't mean all-I think the statement about avoiding Jews because of their influence on finances, etc is horrible, though because it really is what Hitler told people before the ensuing Holocaust. He blamed "the Jews" for the poor economy because many of them worked in financial fields. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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