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[hopeful1]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 10:55 AM'] I know this is pretty graphic and I know my sources may be wrong, but I have had one seminarian say that all oral sex is *probably* immoral and one priest say that as long as it properly ends up in the woman, it is legitimate. [/quote]
i found a link that might help clarify things for you dairygirl. i know if you're anything like me, you don't like to read big, long articles, but i promise this isn't very long, in fact you could probably print it out and it'll only take up about a page. here it is at
[url="http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Action=View&ID=753&Presenter=FatherJ"]http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Actio...esenter=FatherJ[/url]

i hope this helps!

Edited March 21, 2004 by hopeful1

[dairygirl4u2c]

I shouldn'ta said a priest said it and just said if I were Catholic, that's what I'd think to see if any Catholics woulda argue with me. Dang, I was hoping a conservative Catholic woulda argued with me saying that wasn't true first.

Actually I read it from there too.

Edited March 21, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c

[Aloysius]

... so you're trying to cause division, cause arguments, cause schism and disagreements within the body of Christ? that wasn't a sincere question, but a probe, your probing us trying to get us to argue. wow, that shows your true colors.

there's a 13 page discussion in the back alley about this, if you really want to feed your hunger for pointless argumentation rather than honestly seek the truth, PM ironmonk he might still disagree.

oral stimulation ending in vaginal intercourse is not wrong.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 12:46 PM'] I shouldn'ta said a priest said it and just said if I were Catholic, that's what I'd think to see if any Catholics woulda argue with me. Dang, I was hoping a conservative Catholic woulda argued with me saying that wasn't true first.

[/quote]

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]your probing us trying to get us to argue. wow, that shows your true colors.
[/quote]

I believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword.

Actually my intent is more specifically to allow you guys to examine your beliefs. That perhaps the Catholic Church is just your crutch, the means to your ultra conservative agenda. (I am not putting anyone down. I used to be that way when I was a RC) And after realizing this perhaps you might stop begging the question so much as I did and question more things.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Apparently you don't realize how often we examine our beliefs! :rotfl:

Jesus also founded a Church, a Church which is unified. You attempts to get us to bicker amongst ourselves is quite unattractive to say the least.

Conflict isn't always good. Look at Hitler. Look at Martin Luther. Look at people who bicker and cause huge problems in their families, society, community, etc. Something tells me that that is NOT what Jesus had in mind. Frankly, if He were standing here right now I doubt He'd be giving you a pat on the back for trying to get us to argue with each other.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]I believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword.

Actually my intent is more specifically to allow you guys to examine your beliefs. That perhaps the Catholic Church is just your crutch, the means to your ultra conservative agenda. (I am not putting anyone down. I used to be that way when I was a RC) And after realizing this perhaps you might stop begging the question so much as I did and question more things. [/quote]


God is Love and Mercy itself. We must be the same! "Father forgive them, they no not what they do." He was loving even till his death. We must try to do the same.

God Bless
Peace
Jason

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 02:52 PM']
I  believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword.

[/quote]
ah! but lets keep in mind Mt...


mathew 7:15-20...Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves................

:ph34r:


God bless.
+JMJ

[hopeful1]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 21 2004, 03:52 PM'] i believe conflict is good. As Jesus said, he came not to bring peace, but the sword.

[/quote]
if that is what you think jesus came for, then i'm sorry to say you've completely missed the point. you led me to believe that you were asking a legit question, and i was charitable enough to provide you a link to help you, and perhaps help you see we're a little more openminded than you are willing to give us credit for. i am sorry this isn't the case. as for not questioning things go, rest assured that i constantly examine and re-examine what i believe, while i seek to learn more of the truth, and i'm positive most the people here do the same as well.

god bless you

[hopeful1]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Mar 21 2004, 04:27 PM'] Conflict isn't always good. Look at Hitler. Look at Martin Luther. Look at people who bicker and cause huge problems in their families, society, community, etc. Something tells me that that is NOT what Jesus had in mind. Frankly, if He were standing here right now I doubt He'd be giving you a pat on the back for trying to get us to argue with each other. [/quote]
i think you may be on to something iceprincess

[hopeful1]

besides, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't that quote about creating division have to do more with separating the jews that believed he was the messiah and the ones who didn't, before the whole passion and ressurrection. to say he came to create division in the sense dairygirl is putting it in, seems to be taking it out of context. but that's just me, please correct me if i'm off.

[Aloysius]

the division is clearly visible in that the only acceptable prejudice left in America is anti-Catholocism. the sword is because He has taken His followers out of worldliness and the world doesn't like it, he didn't commision his church to be full of squabbles and bickering, arguing for the sake of arguing. the sword is the persecution of Christianity that takes place every day.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Well Hopeful, thats the problem with private interpretation. Some see that problem, some don't.

[popestpiusx]

The Church is never divided. There can be no division in the Church. She is a spotless bride, perfect, immutable, and gloriously united. Outside the Church (and this includes some who are supposedly inside the Church) there is division and warfare. The sword Christ brought was to ensure the difference. You are either with Him or against Him. If you are with Him, then you will likely pay a heavy price (humanly speaking). It may cause division. It may cause pain and suffering. In fact, He nearly guaranteed that it would. But the reward for giving up the things of the world for His sake is eternal life. Christ's sword separates truth from error, good from evil. He divides the worldly from the heavenly. Holy Mother Church is where we find the True and the Good and within Her fold there is no division.

[marielapin]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Mar 22 2004, 12:20 AM'] The Church is never divided. There can be no division in the Church. She is a spotless bride, perfect, immutable, and gloriously united. Outside the Church (and this includes some who are supposedly inside the Church) there is division and warfare. The sword Christ brought was to ensure the difference. You are either with Him or against Him. If you are with Him, then you will likely pay a heavy price (humanly speaking). It may cause division. It may cause pain and suffering. In fact, He nearly guaranteed that it would. But the reward for giving up the things of the world for His sake is eternal life. Christ's sword separates truth from error, good from evil. He divides the worldly from the heavenly. Holy Mother Church is where we find the True and the Good and within Her fold there is no division. [/quote]
AMEN! Well said.