Historic Moves Afoot For Traditional Anglicans

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='philothea' post='1764918' date='Jan 28 2009, 08:16 PM']Err, I thought there already was an Anglican rite just for this kind of thing?

In any case, WOOHOO! [/quote]
i thought so too.

so i started looking but cmom already posted what i was gonna post

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1764971' date='Jan 28 2009, 09:00 PM'][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Use"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Use[/url][/quote]

[ReinnieR]

I have a few questions.

Please don't shoot me.

Is the Episcopal church in the United States part of the worldwide Anglican Communion?

From what i remember in High School when I did go to school is that the Christians in America separated itself from the Anglican church during the revolutionary war.

[cappie]

I wouldn't shoot you....

The Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion. It separated itself from the Church of England during the Revolutionary War but remained part of the Anglican Communion.

The TAC has more than 400,000 members in 41 countries, and is not in relationship with the mainstream Anglican Church.

[url="http://acahomeorg0.web701.discountasp.net/tac/tac_index.aspx"]http://acahomeorg0.web701.discountasp.net/tac/tac_index.aspx[/url]

Edited January 29, 2009 by cappie

[cappie]

Adelaide based Traditional Anglican Communion Archbishop John Hepworth says that he is "quietly and optimistically waiting for an answer" after news broke that Rome may establish a personal prelature for the group.

The mainstream Anglican Church is also holding discussions with the Vatican, but they are not close to union.

If the Pope agrees, the TAC, would answer to the Pope but keep their existing structure, clergy and some elements of Anglican identity. At present, the Catholic Church has only one personal prelature, Opus Dei.

"All 60 bishops accept the role of the Pope, the Catholic catechism and the traditional claims of the church, and want to be part of it," Archbishop told The Age.

Archbishop Hepworth said if the Pope approved, the TAC would be a beacon for Anglicans around the world dreaming of doctrinal stability and unity.

Representative of the disaffected Anglicans is Fr Graeme Mitchell, who is hoping to join his fourth church, but says this time "I feel like I'm coming home".

Married with two children, Fr Mitchell began life as a Presbyterian, followed his mother to the Anglican Church, and in 1987 was one of the founders of the breakaway Anglo-Catholic Church of Australia.

This year, the parish priest at St Mary the Virgin in Caulfield South and registrar of the TAC diocese of Australia hopes and prays he will join the half-million other former Anglicans as a full member of the Catholic Church.

His disillusionment with the Anglican Church began mounting in 1987, when the Melbourne synod made the Catholic sacrament of confirmation optional. "It seemed to me a betrayal of what I'd been brought up to in the Catholic faith," he says.

[url="http://www.theage.com.au/national/dissident-anglicans-poised-to-join-catholics-20090129-7t2q.html"]http://www.theage.com.au/national/dissiden...90129-7t2q.html[/url]

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

During the Catholic oppression under Queen Elizabeth when Catholics were not allowed in the country of England, the Jesuits were sent by the Pope to continue to teach the Catholics that had not changed to Anglicanism and still craved the sacraments. One great saint and martyr, Edmund Campion, left what became known as "Campion's Brag" at every location where he had said a mass. It was a letter to the Queen. This is a piece of it and I think it may apply to these Anglicans coming back into communion:

[quote]"Many innocent hands are lifted up to heaven for you daily by those English students, whose posterity shall never die, which beyond seas, gathering virtue and sufficient knowledge for the purpose, are determined never to give you over, but either to win you heaven, or to die upon your pikes. And touching our Society, be it known to you that we have made a league—all the Jesuits in the world, whose succession and multitude must overreach all the practice of England—cheerfully to carry the cross you shall lay upon us, and never to despair your recovery, while we have a man left to enjoy your Tyburn, or to be racked with your torments, or consumed with your prisons. The expense is reckoned, the enterprise is begun; it is of God; it cannot be withstood. So the faith was planted: So it must be restored." ~St. Edmund Campion.[/quote]

Welcome home. So the faith was planted and so it has been restored.

Edited January 30, 2009 by Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

[MithLuin]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1765743' date='Jan 29 2009, 02:59 PM']That's because Protestants don't operate under the mindset that the Church needs to be one standalone, physical institution with a common head. But they do come together for other reasons, which is easier for them since they don't have to jump the hurdles that exist between Catholicism and Protestantism.

For example, on the previous page someone commented that he won't enter the TAC church near his house until it's in full communion with Rome. That kind of thing wouldn't even cross the mind of a Lutheran or Methodist, and they will gladly visit Catholic churches.[/quote]


I have very cheerfully visited Lutheran, Methodist, Orthodox and Anglican churches. I don't receive communion there, but I don't consider the place or the congregations taboo. I realize I would feel differently if we were in the midst of persecutions, where entering another church and worshiping with them would be seen as a betrayal of some sort. It was a bit 'weirder' visiting Anglican churches in England, with that more palpable history, than other Protestant churches in the US.


But as for Lutherans...the ECLA thinks the Missouri Synod is [i]much[/i] worse than the Catholics. All you have to do is listen to them talk about each other - it's like Sunnis and Shi'ites. Basically, I cannot see those two groups reconciling with each other for any reason - I would expect one of them to merge with another denomination first.


Protestantism is more about splitting off than coming together, though there have been efforts (such as the World Council of Churchs or whatever that's called) to unite in some ways.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1765011' date='Jan 28 2009, 09:49 PM']There's a small, traditional anglican church really close to my house, and I want them to come back to Rome, cause I really wanna see the inside, but I refuse to go in until they're reunited.
I wonder how long I'll need to wait. [/quote]
Why would you refuse to visit a church?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1766457' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:18 AM']Why would you refuse to visit a church?[/quote]
Perhaps refuse is a bad word - it's not like I've been invited or anything.
I just don't want to cause any scandal by attending one of their services, and people thinking, I don't know, that they're not in schism or anything like that. I don't think I'm communicating what I mean to say very clearly.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1766465' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:22 AM']Perhaps refuse is a bad word - it's not like I've been invited or anything.
I just don't want to cause any scandal by attending one of their services, and people thinking, I don't know, that they're not in schism or anything like that. I don't think I'm communicating what I mean to say very clearly. [/quote]
I think thats putting up a barrier where none should be. We cannot take Communion, but I don't see why you can't go as a visitor.
Haven't you ever invited a non-catholic to a catholic church?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1766474' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:26 AM']I think thats putting up a barrier where none should be. We cannot take Communion, but I don't see why you can't go as a visitor.
Haven't you ever invited a non-catholic to a catholic church?[/quote]
Hmm. I suppose you could be right, and I have. And most of them have liked it, some even have looked into converting. I guess the thing with me is that I'm convinced that the Catholic Church is the True Church and I guess I don't see a reason to just go to a non-Catholic Church by my own accord. Now, on the occasion that my mom or grandma invite me to one of their churches, I don't have a problem going on occasion with them.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1766439' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:12 AM']I have very cheerfully visited Lutheran, Methodist, Orthodox and Anglican churches. I don't receive communion there, but I don't consider the place or the congregations taboo. I realize I would feel differently if we were in the midst of persecutions, where entering another church and worshiping with them would be seen as a betrayal of some sort.[/quote]

I would hope persecutions would bring us all closer together against a common enemy. Fact is, we do have a common spiritual enemy.

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1766439' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:12 AM']But as for Lutherans...the ECLA thinks the Missouri Synod is [i]much[/i] worse than the Catholics. All you have to do is listen to them talk about each other - it's like Sunnis and Shi'ites. Basically, I cannot see those two groups reconciling with each other for any reason - I would expect one of them to merge with another denomination first.[/quote]

Well, I've read some documents by the Missouri Synod that refer to the Pope as an anti-Christ, etc. Of course, I highly doubt most members of their churches feel that way.

Also, the ELCA, Episcopal Church, Reformed Church in America, and two other denominations are inter-communal, which means they can share pastors and I suppose use each others' seminaries and such. I'm not sure how well that works with the Reformed folks, but the ELCA and Episcopal Church do have a lot in common, where the ELCA and Missouri Synod don't see eye-to-eye so much in spite of the fact that they are both Lutheran. Again, Protestants don't pay that much attention to denominations and affiliations.

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1766439' date='Jan 30 2009, 12:12 AM']Protestantism is more about splitting off than coming together, though there have been efforts (such as the World Council of Churchs or whatever that's called) to unite in some ways.[/quote]

I don't think Protestantism is as much about splitting off as you've been lead to believe by some of the Catholic apologists. Yes, church splits are common, but part of the reason they are common is they don't believe the Church needs to be a single, fully unified institution. They can split and still greet one another at brother and sister (generally speaking, anyway).