Going To A Non-denominational Church

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751560' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:38 PM']i never said the Catholic church was not the true church.[/quote]
Yes, you did.
You said, and I quote:
"Catholicism is not the only true church."
This implies that there are other true churches. The Holy Catholic Church teaches that there is only one, true, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
The two statements can't exist in harmony. By saying there is more than one true church, this directly counteracts one of the tenets of the Catholic Church, meaning one of two things:
-Catholicism is a false church, because it teaches things that are not true, or
-Catholicism is the only Church with the full, unadulterated, incorrupt truth.
Can't have both.
May the Peace of Christ be with you.

Edited January 15, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS

[Giolla]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751560' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:38 PM']i never said the Catholic church was not the true church.[/quote]

WAIT! I do not understand your logic.

[Giolla]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751561' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:40 PM']rgggggggggggggggh [/quote]

feelings mutual

[Guest nvzbl]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1751555' date='Jan 14 2009, 09:33 PM']Ya it is. Other churches from other denominations and non denominational ones are still part of the catholic church. I would assume they are until they denounce the catholic church and her majistey. Once you know the catholic church though is where you are called to recieve the eucharist you either gotta accept it or deny it. Alot of christians in other churches can claim ignorance. God knows their heart.

You quote alot of revelations but dont forget the false church is going to come. Its going to preach another Jesus. Paul talks about it and calls the leaders of it super apostles and refers to it as the final conflict. They preach the gospel for a charge. He calls them ministers of satan becasue satan appears to be an angel of light. So I think a chruch is cool as long as it submits to the catholic church. But more and more churches are attacking the catholic church. And remember blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin. (attributing to satan what is of the holy spirit)[/quote]


i will sacrifice my life and die on that statement.
Catholic Church is the one true church. but not the only one. So is every other Christian Church.
I cant explain it to you all will find out. and im going to sacrifice my life on that statement.
i spose i could go to mass and sit in the back of the church and never make a difference in the life of others why im here on earth. whether you believe me or not im here for the salvation of each and every one of you. Regardless until the end of time. IF GODS WILL WAS FULFILLED we would all be in heaven. heaven would be everywhere and anywhere you could possibly imagine. we would be there now. if we choose to accept Gods will. anything is possible. and the one who overcomes will inherit all things......methodist baptist roman catholic. I WILL NOEVER FORSAKE WHAT I BELIEVE IN.
and before anything tries explaining anything to me...I PROBABLY ALREADY REALIZE THAT.
to the one who overcomes...........you will inherit ALL THINGS.

[Guest nvzbl]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1751565' date='Jan 14 2009, 09:43 PM']Yes, you did.
You said, and I quote:
"Catholicism is not the only true church."
This implies that there are other true churches. The Holy Catholic Church teaches that there is only one, true, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
The two statements can't exist in harmony. By saying there is more than one true church, this directly counteracts one of the tenets of the Catholic Church, meaning one of two things:
-Catholicism is a false church, because it teaches things that are not true, or
-Catholicism is the only Church with the full, unadulterated, incorrupt truth.
Can't have both.
May the Peace of Christ be with you.[/quote]


any two statements can exist in harmony if you believe...with God anything is possible.

[Guest]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751571' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:50 PM']i will sacrifice my life and die on that statement.
Catholic Church is the one true church. but not the only one. So is every other Christian Church.
I cant explain it to you all will find out. and im going to sacrifice my life on that statement.
i spose i could go to mass and sit in the back of the church and never make a difference in the life of others why im here on earth. whether you believe me or not im here for the salvation of each and every one of you. Regardless until the end of time. IF GODS WILL WAS FULFILLED we would all be in heaven. heaven would be everywhere and anywhere you could possibly imagine. we would be there now. if we choose to accept Gods will. anything is possible. and the one who overcomes will inherit all things......methodist baptist roman catholic. I WILL NOEVER FORSAKE WHAT I BELIEVE IN.
and before anything tries explaining anything to me...I PROBABLY ALREADY REALIZE THAT.
to the one who overcomes...........you will inherit ALL THINGS.[/quote]

I was agreeing with you that the other churches are in the body of christ.
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They denounce the catholic church and start to commit blasphemy against the holy spirit.

As far as indivigual christains I agree that they are brothers and sisters in christ. But once you know the complete truth you either gotta accept it or deny it. Repeating others in this thread "whoever does not eat my body and drink my blood has no life in them " Its the truth so if you hear the truth and deny it then what are you ?

Im not preaching. Lord knows I have done a dispicable job of carrying my cross. But I know the truth. And since I know the truth I have an escape door. I cant walk backwards though or im denying Christ. I can still do many things outside the catholic church and I plan on it. That's not something you have to give up when you become catholic.

[Giolla]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751572' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:51 PM']any two statements can exist in harmony if you believe...with God anything is possible.[/quote]

But what do you believe?

[Guest nvzbl]

i really dont have time for this. hate protestants. fall to flames. or forsake your will and find God. space and time intertwined twisted the God of love the God of understanding i take each vow and carry out each and every law whats the intent of mistaking taking these pleas with every intention of causing the potential flawless but what about the hopeless the Godless whats a theory without a hyposthesis can you prove all theories true without the simple evidence of God with out that as solid facts alone how can all things be known how else can i ever know Jesus came to worship before the masses and
to call me back home?

[Guest nvzbl]

[quote name='Giolla' post='1751581' date='Jan 14 2009, 09:58 PM']But what do you believe?[/quote]


[b]ALL THINGS.[/b]

[Guest nvzbl]

[b]ALL THINGS.[/b] =]

Edited January 15, 2009 by nvzbl

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751572' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:51 PM']any two statements can exist in harmony if you believe...with God anything is possible.[/quote]
[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751585' date='Jan 14 2009, 11:02 PM'][b]ALL THINGS.[/b][/quote]
These make no sense, logically or otherwise.
By the logic you've just presented, these statements can not only co-exist, but also be EQUALLY TRUTHFUL:[b]
God Exists.[/b]
and[b]
God does [i]not[/i] exist.[/b]

[Guest nvzbl]

in science, God doesnt make sense. hence, big bang theory. you believe in God but you believe [i]all thing[/i]s cant exist when it is qouted out of revelations?

Edited January 15, 2009 by nvzbl

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751589' date='Jan 14 2009, 11:06 PM']in science, God doesnt make sense. hence, big bang theory. you believe in God but you believe [i]all thing[/i]s cant exist when it is qouted out of revelations?[/quote]
What do you mean, in science, God doesn't make sense? (True) Science and (True) Religion are not mutually exclusive; in fact, they are completely complimentary - Science is the search of how, Religion is the search of why. You know that the man who formulated the Big Bang, Georges LeMaître, was a Catholic Priest, right?
And quote me what you're referring to in Revelations again, if you would, so I might respond to it.

Edited January 15, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS

[Guest nvzbl]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751585' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:02 PM'][b]ALL THINGS.[/b][/quote]


[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1751587' date='Jan 14 2009, 10:04 PM']These make no sense, logically or otherwise.
By the logic you've just presented, these statements can not only co-exist, but also be EQUALLY TRUTHFUL:[b]
God Exists.[/b]
and[b]
God does [i]not[/i] exist.[/b][/quote]


With God all things are possible.
1 Chronicles 29:12
Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.
Job 12:3
But I have a mind as well as you; I am not inferior to you. Who does not know all these things?
Job 42:2
"I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted.
Psalm 119:91
Your laws endure to this day, for all things serve you.
Psalm 138:2
I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.
Ecclesiastes 1:8
All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing.
Ecclesiastes 1:14
I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
Ecclesiastes 2:18
I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.
Ecclesiastes 11:9
Be happy, young man, while you are young, and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth. Follow the ways of your heart and whatever your eyes see, but know that for all these things God will bring you to judgment.
Isaiah 12:5
Sing to the LORD, for he has done glorious things; let this be known to all the world.
Isaiah 43:9
All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble. Which of them foretold this and proclaimed to us the former things? Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right, so that others may hear and say, "It is true."
Isaiah 44:9
All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame.
saiah 44:24
[ Jerusalem to Be Inhabited ] "This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 48:6
You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you.
Isaiah 66:2
Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?" declares the LORD. "This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.
Jeremiah 7:13
While you were doing all these things, declares the LORD, I spoke to you again and again, but you did not listen; I called you, but you did not answer.
Jeremiah 10:16
He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these, for he is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the tribe of his inheritance— the LORD Almighty is his name.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Jeremiah 25:13
I will bring upon that land all the things I have spoken against it, all that are written in this book and prophesied by Jeremiah against all the nations.
Jeremiah 26:12
Then Jeremiah said to all the officials and all the people: "The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and this city all the things you have heard.
# Jeremiah 33:9
Then this city will bring me renown, joy, praise and honor before all nations on earth that hear of all the good things I do for it; and they will be in awe and will tremble at the abundant prosperity and peace I provide for it.'
# Jeremiah 51:19
He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these, for he is the Maker of all things, including the tribe of his inheritance— the LORD Almighty is his name.
Ezekiel 33:29
Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land a desolate waste because of all the detestable things they have done.'
Daniel 2:40
Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Daniel 7:16
I approached one of those standing there and asked him the true meaning of all this. "So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things:
Daniel 12:7
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
Amos 9:12
so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name, " declares the LORD, who will do these things.
Zechariah 8:12
"The seed will grow well, the vine will yield its fruit, the ground will produce its crops, and the heavens will drop their dew. I will give all these things as an inheritance to the remnant of this people.
Matthew 6:32
For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
# Matthew 6:33
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matthew 11:27
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
Matthew 13:51
"Have you understood all these things?" Jesus asked. "Yes," they replied.
Matthew 13:56
Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"
Matthew 17:11
Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 24:2
"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
# Matthew 24:33
Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Matthew 24:34
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Mark 9:12
Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
# Mark 10:27
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."
Mark 13:4
"Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
Mark 13:30
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Luke 1:65
The neighbors were all filled with awe, and throughout the hill country of Judea people were talking about all these things.
Luke 2:19
But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.
Luke 2:20
The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.
Luke 2:51
Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.
# Luke 3:19
But when John rebuked Herod the tetrarch because of Herodias, his brother's wife, and all the other evil things he had done,
Luke 7:18
[ Jesus and John the Baptist ] John's disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them,
Luke 10:22
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
Luke 12:30
For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them.
Luke 13:17
When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.
Luke 21:32
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
# Luke 21:31-33 (in Context) Luke 21 (Whole Chapter)
# Luke 23:49
But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.
Luke 24:9
When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
John 5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.
John 12:16
At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.
John 13:3
Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;
John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 16:30
Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God."
John 21:17
The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my sheep.
Acts 7:50
Has not my hand made all these things?'
Acts 15:17
that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
Romans 8:28
[ More Than Conquerors ] And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:37
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
1 Corinthians 2:10
but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
1 Corinthians 3:21
So then, no more boasting about men! All things are yours,
Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1 Corinthians 9:22
To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
Galatians 6:6
Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.
Ephesians 1:10
to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.
Ephesians 1:22
And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,
Ephesians 3:9
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
Ephesians 4:15
Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Philippians 3:8
What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ
# Philippians 3:15
All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Colossians 3:8
But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
# 1 Timothy 4:8
For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.
Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Hebrews 10:1
[ Christ's Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 11:13
All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.
1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

Rev 18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

[Giolla]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1751585' date='Jan 14 2009, 11:02 PM'][b]ALL THINGS.[/b][/quote]

Do you believe that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are three separate entities acting outside of one another?