CatherineM Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='Giolla' post='1750638' date='Jan 13 2009, 07:27 PM']I'm firmly grounded in the faith. I'm even going through discernment to become a priest. But what he needs is an easy going atmosphere where he can listen to the gospel. as I said I'm strictly Catholic but he needs to be eased in. I don't think this was directed to me.[/quote] Oh no, I definitely wasn't directing that at you. I understand exactly what you are attempting to do with your brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nvzbl Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1750675' date='Jan 13 2009, 09:02 PM']Oh no, I definitely wasn't directing that at you. I understand exactly what you are attempting to do with your brother.[/quote] then again maybe i took what everyone said wrong too tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giolla Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ok this slightly of topic and I should probably bring this to another board. My brother has celiac diseases (he cannot digest wheat it might kill him) If he converts to the Catholic faith how will he recieve the Eucharist. As far as I know the bread has to be made from wheat and Priest's cannot use rice crackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='Giolla' post='1750721' date='Jan 13 2009, 09:24 PM']Ok this slightly of topic and I should probably bring this to another board. My brother has celiac diseases (he cannot digest wheat it might kill him) If he converts to the Catholic faith how will he recieve the Eucharist. As far as I know the bread has to be made from wheat and Priest's cannot use rice crackers.[/quote] He can receive under the species of wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='Giolla' post='1750721' date='Jan 13 2009, 08:24 PM']Ok this slightly of topic and I should probably bring this to another board. My brother has celiac diseases (he cannot digest wheat it might kill him) If he converts to the Catholic faith how will he recieve the Eucharist. As far as I know the bread has to be made from wheat and Priest's cannot use rice crackers.[/quote] One of my RCIA students 2 years ago has that. The whole soul and divinity of the Eucharist is present in both species. She goes up to receive communion, and does the hand over her heart thing for the host, and then receives from the cup. She didn't have it that bad, and did receive the host at the Easter Vigil. She said she'd pay for it, but it was worth it, but it wasn't necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='nvzbl' post='1750676' date='Jan 13 2009, 10:03 PM'] then again maybe i took what everyone said wrong too tho...[/quote] Always possible.... Let's start again then, shall we? Going to church = good. I am thrilled for [b]Giolla[/b]'s brother, that he has become a Christian and started attending a church. I think that is really good news. I understand why you were originally upset by this thread. Someone posted to say his brother had started going to church, and everyone offered to pray for him to become Catholic. Thing is...it wasn't meant as a dis on the church he was currently attending. Prayers for a new convert are always good (that he will continue attending Church, that he will get to know Jesus better, etc.) But yes, Catholics think they have the fullness of truth. This means that while you can have a wonderful relationship with God and receive his graces in other churches, there are some graces that you will only find in the Catholic church - for instance, the Eucharist. We do not view our church as one denomination among many, we view it as the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church started by Jesus. We KNOW other Christians don't agree with us on this! And we also know that we are all Christians - we all have the same faith in Jesus. That is what we share. If you would like to start a topic in the Debate Table about the different Christian communities, you are welcome to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I think its great he is going to a christian church. Its better than going to no church at all. Just becoming a christian is so much better than not being a christian. So just getting him to church, a christian church is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nvzbl Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) No, i find it hard to word myself the way i want to sometime too. (I) just personally find nothing wrong with anyone going to another church. But i also understand defending the Catholic Church. and God is also right now showing me why. I dont think what i had said was wrong. But i'm also at the same time trying to introduce to the world that there is more possible for us than we could ever imagine. And i think everyday we all learn more and more from each other. i kno i do too. Edited January 14, 2009 by nvzbl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='Giolla' post='1750721' date='Jan 13 2009, 09:24 PM']Ok this slightly of topic and I should probably bring this to another board. My brother has celiac diseases (he cannot digest wheat it might kill him) If he converts to the Catholic faith how will he recieve the Eucharist. As far as I know the bread has to be made from wheat and Priest's cannot use rice crackers.[/quote] I know two people with celiac. They both receive communion... the bread does have to be made from wheat, but people with celiac may receive hosts made with .01% gluten and they are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 nvzbl, Since the Eucharist is Jesus, and since Jesus is God, the Eucharist is God. You are right to say as long as we have God we are okay. You know as well as me that the only church that has the Eucharist is the Catholic Church. Of course it is better to go to a non-denominational or other Christian church rather than no church at all--but shouldn't we be trying to get everyone into the Catholic Church so they can not only experience God spiritually, but also physically? God came to this earth as a [b]physical [/b]person in Jesus for a reason. He also gives himself in the Eucharist [b]physically[/b] for a reason. If you do not think it is important that we have the Eucharist, then the same argument can be made by non-Christians that it is not important to have Jesus. You see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweens8403 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Jesus is often referred to as the passover lamb. Take note of the "curious" timing of Christ's crucifixion; it was during the prescribed time during the jewish passover for sacrificing the passover lamb. Refer to exodus chapter 12. What were the jews commanded to do with the lamb after they had killed it and put its blood on their doorposts. They ate it. If they didn't, BAD. Thus the historical architype for the eucharist. Jesus said he came not to abolish the old but to fulfill it. (Matthew ch. 5 I believe) Next, refer to John Chapter 6. Read the whole chapter for context if you like. "Excepting that a man eat my flesh and drink my blood he has no life in him." The crowds were confused and asked for clarification. It would have been a simple matter for Jesus to say, "truly truly I say to you, I'm only speaking figuratively". But he didn't. He said it again as he said it before, "Excepting that a man eat my flesh and drink my blood he has no life in him." Jesus makes it pretty clear that he was not talking about a symbolic token. This is a VERY simplistic explanation from scripture for why Catholics believe in the real presence. For a more thorough answer ask someone more scholarly than myself, a priest perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nvzbl Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) [quote name='dUSt' post='1750783' date='Jan 13 2009, 10:29 PM']nvzbl, Since the Eucharist is Jesus, and since Jesus is God, the Eucharist is God. You are right to say as long as we have God we are okay. You know as well as me that the only church that has the Eucharist is the Catholic Church. Of course it is better to go to a non-denominational or other Christian church rather than no church at all--but shouldn't we be trying to get everyone into the Catholic Church so they can not only experience God spiritually, but also physically? God came to this earth as a [b]physical [/b]person in Jesus for a reason. He also gives himself in the Eucharist [b]physically[/b] for a reason. If you do not think it is important that we have the Eucharist, then the same argument can be made by non-Christians that it is not important to have Jesus. You see?[/quote] NO, what i am saying what is [i]important[/i] is [b]GOD.[/b] Edited January 14, 2009 by nvzbl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweens8403 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 prayers for your brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweens8403 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 [quote name='nvzbl' post='1750847' date='Jan 14 2009, 12:00 AM']NO, what i am saying what is [i]important[/i] is [b]GOD.[/b][/quote] yes, we know what you're saying sir. That's exactly the point though. Before I converted to Catholicism from being baptist I thought that catholics weren't focused on Christ as much as protestants. Then I did some research. Christ is the whole point of the mass, and masses are held at every catholic ceremony. Marriages, funerals, every day, etc. Masses always have the eucharist since it's Christ himself like He said (see john 6). Christ is at the very center of everything we do, and Christ is God. yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nvzbl Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) you too. and i never said the eucharist wasnt important. in regards to (my) music ministry: look at christian music. do i need to ask if they are catholic before i let my kids listen to it??? i defend the Catholic church but i defend all of Christs churches. listen: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR-dPvBDv5o"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR-dPvBDv5o[/url] Edited January 14, 2009 by nvzbl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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