Laudem Gloriae Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) Beautiful Poor Clare branch. Vocations page: [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html[/url] Main site: [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/[/url] - they do have a vocations page on this site but it is "under construction." Their blog: [url="http://capclares.blogspot.com/"]http://capclares.blogspot.com/[/url] Vocation stories of a few of the nuns - [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html[/url] Edited January 10, 2009 by Laudem Gloriae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frateumile Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='Laudem Gloriae' post='1748101' date='Jan 10 2009, 03:27 AM']Beautiful Poor Clare branch. Vocations page: [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html[/url] Main site: [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/[/url] - they do have a vocations page on this site but it is "under construction." Their blog: [url="http://capclares.blogspot.com/"]http://capclares.blogspot.com/[/url] Vocation stories of a few of the nuns - [url="http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html"]http://www.capuchinpoorclares.org/vocations.html[/url][/quote] I don't like these cloistered nuns who do not hide to the profane eyes of the world themselves behind the veil and the thick,strong grating of the seclusion. The order of the Capuchin Poor Clares founded from Maria Lorenza Longo was one of the strictest institutes of seclusion for poverty, penance and prayer. Today these nuns are an insulte to the catholic tradition and the too poverty that there is in the world. At least 1/3 of humanities don't live in the well-being that these nuns have disposition. Our Lord on the cross cannot that to continue to bleed, Saint Francis scandalously is betrayed and the Catholic Church cannot that to go adrift and ruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='frateumile' post='1748191' date='Jan 10 2009, 02:07 PM']I don't like these cloistered nuns who do not hide to the profane eyes of the world themselves behind the veil and the thick,strong grating of the seclusion. The order of the Capuchin Poor Clares founded from Maria Lorenza Longo was one of the strictest institutes of seclusion for poverty, penance and prayer. Today these nuns are an insulte to the catholic tradition and the too poverty that there is in the world. At least 1/3 of humanities don't live in the well-being that these nuns have disposition. Our Lord on the cross cannot that to continue to bleed, Saint Francis scandalously is betrayed and the Catholic Church cannot that to go adrift and ruin.[/quote] You have no idea how poor the lives of any nuns are, let alone these particular nuns. May God forgive your rash judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='frateumile' post='1748191' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:07 PM']I don't like these cloistered nuns who do not hide to the profane eyes of the world themselves behind the veil and the thick,strong grating of the seclusion. The order of the Capuchin Poor Clares founded from Maria Lorenza Longo was one of the strictest institutes of seclusion for poverty, penance and prayer. Today these nuns are an insulte to the catholic tradition and the too poverty that there is in the world. At least 1/3 of humanities don't live in the well-being that these nuns have disposition. Our Lord on the cross cannot that to continue to bleed, Saint Francis scandalously is betrayed and the Catholic Church cannot that to go adrift and ruin.[/quote] I thought the purpose of this forum was to encourage those who are discerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='frateumile' post='1748191' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:07 PM']I don't like these cloistered nuns who do not hide to the profane eyes of the world themselves behind the veil and the thick,strong grating of the seclusion. The order of the Capuchin Poor Clares founded from Maria Lorenza Longo was one of the strictest institutes of seclusion for poverty, penance and prayer. Today these nuns are an insulte to the catholic tradition and the too poverty that there is in the world. At least 1/3 of humanities don't live in the well-being that these nuns have disposition. Our Lord on the cross cannot that to continue to bleed, Saint Francis scandalously is betrayed and the Catholic Church cannot that to go adrift and ruin.[/quote] Pro Domina, is that you? I think this was posted in poor judgment. Just because we have our own ideas about religious life, doesn't make everything wrong about a religious community just because it doesn't fit our standards. frateumile, I think that you need to reassess your judgment and exercise better charity. It's better to say nothing at all than say something like this about a religious community that you probably know very little about. I pray that no one turns away from this community if they are attracted to it, just by this bad statement. frateumile, I'll be praying for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 STatements like that drive me crazy because religious communities have such a hard time with people who don't fully understand the life judging them. Do we know the rule that these sisters follow? Their constitutions? Then how can we say that they aren't living religious life according to their particular charism? The answer is, we can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1748435' date='Jan 10 2009, 09:13 PM']STatements like that drive me crazy because religious communities have such a hard time with people who don't fully understand the life judging them. Do we know the rule that these sisters follow? Their constitutions? Then how can we say that they aren't living religious life according to their particular charism? The answer is, we can't.[/quote] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudem Gloriae Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 As Mother Mary Francis, PCC said in her book , "A Right to be Merry" and a few others of her's that I have, she writes that St. Francis and St. Clare didn't mean one must live in squalor, dirt, the gutter, be in ugly surroundings, etc. to live in poverty and have the spirit of poverty. She wrote how people expected them to have bland, ugly or gray walls, no flowers, etc. in their monastery. The spirit of poverty is more important than the other. This poster has no ideas - as to many - that many others are given donations of food, money and such as alms to help support a community and even St. Clare accepted donations and food and such. Most orders/communities get many things like this and give the majority of them away to the poor or the local church. It would be more pride to wallow around in the dirt and over do the penance. Even St. Clare learned this at the end of her life when she realized she brought on her illness and dying herself with extreme penance and fasting. She knew you can over do all this and counseled her sisters to not follow her extremes - if one is sick and unable to do her duties and becomes a burden on the community when it wasn't necessary what good is it? The spirit of poverty and wanting to possess nothing but God and to expect ALL from His Divine Providence, love and mercy is the true poverty - not a put on "oh look at me! how wonderful am I living in a hovel, dirt, eating one pea a day, etc." and assume a false poverty and poor-ness. The joyful and loving poor people are the ones who are humble and close to God. How many poor people do you hear about and maybe know who are miserable, turn to crime, etc. Making one's self beggarly isn't a good and holy thing when it isn't one inline with God's will or for love of Him. If this poster IS in Italy, how DOES she know what happens in or with this community/order?! It's a different thing if this person entered with this order and she saw first hand how they ate filet mignon and champagne every night and the sisters had credit cards and went shopping and went against the church and such! Now THAT is a insult to other and the Church, not her PERCEIVED notions! I wasn't going to respond to this but It was just to hard to not respond to such ridiculous and outrageous accusations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudem Gloriae Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 The Capuchin Poor Clare monastery in Denver sells (for their income) "Clarisa's Cookies" - home made butter cookies in various flavors. The website is [url="http://www.capuchins.org/cookies/index.html"]http://www.capuchins.org/cookies/index.html[/url] and these are for sale again starting January 15, 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='frateumile' post='1748191' date='Jan 10 2009, 02:07 PM']I don't like these cloistered nuns who do not hide to the profane eyes of the world themselves behind the veil and the thick,strong grating of the seclusion. The order of the Capuchin Poor Clares founded from Maria Lorenza Longo was one of the strictest institutes of seclusion for poverty, penance and prayer. Today these nuns are an insulte to the catholic tradition and the too poverty that there is in the world. At least 1/3 of humanities don't live in the well-being that these nuns have disposition. Our Lord on the cross cannot that to continue to bleed, Saint Francis scandalously is betrayed and the Catholic Church cannot that to go adrift and ruin.[/quote] These nuns LIVE in poverty. Having beautiful churches honors GOD, not the people living in it. The Catholic Church is the biggest relief agency in the entire world. Do you think living on the streets is a charism for every order? If you have issues with the Church, take it to the debate board it is not appropriate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Laudem Gloriae' post='1748553' date='Jan 11 2009, 12:14 AM']As Mother Mary Francis, PCC said in her book , "A Right to be Merry" and a few others of her's that I have, she writes that St. Francis and St. Clare didn't mean one must live in squalor, dirt, the gutter, be in ugly surroundings, etc. to live in poverty and have the spirit of poverty. She wrote how people expected them to have bland, ugly or gray walls, no flowers, etc. in their monastery. The spirit of poverty is more important than the other. This poster has no ideas - as to many - that many others are given donations of food, money and such as alms to help support a community and even St. Clare accepted donations and food and such. Most orders/communities get many things like this and give the majority of them away to the poor or the local church. It would be more pride to wallow around in the dirt and over do the penance. Even St. Clare learned this at the end of her life when she realized she brought on her illness and dying herself with extreme penance and fasting. She knew you can over do all this and counseled her sisters to not follow her extremes - if one is sick and unable to do her duties and becomes a burden on the community when it wasn't necessary what good is it? The spirit of poverty and wanting to possess nothing but God and to expect ALL from His Divine Providence, love and mercy is the true poverty - not a put on "oh look at me! how wonderful am I living in a hovel, dirt, eating one pea a day, etc." and assume a false poverty and poor-ness. The joyful and loving poor people are the ones who are humble and close to God. How many poor people do you hear about and maybe know who are miserable, turn to crime, etc. Making one's self beggarly isn't a good and holy thing when it isn't one inline with God's will or for love of Him. If this poster IS in Italy, how DOES she know what happens in or with this community/order?! It's a different thing if this person entered with this order and she saw first hand how they ate filet mignon and champagne every night and the sisters had credit cards and went shopping and went against the church and such! Now THAT is a insult to other and the Church, not her PERCEIVED notions! I wasn't going to respond to this but It was just to hard to not respond to such ridiculous and outrageous accusations![/quote] It's funny that you should mention the part of the book that you did because I just got to that part (I'm on page 74). I love that book, so far, because it gives an accurate, interesting portrayal of life inside the cloister--one that I may never experience, since I am being called to the active life of the Carmelite DCJ sisters. Thanks for your response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frateumile Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Laudem Gloriae' post='1748553' date='Jan 11 2009, 01:14 AM']As Mother Mary Francis, PCC said in her book , "A Right to be Merry" and a few others of her's that I have, she writes that St. Francis and St. Clare didn't mean one must live in squalor, dirt, the gutter, be in ugly surroundings, etc. to live in poverty and have the spirit of poverty. She wrote how people expected them to have bland, ugly or gray walls, no flowers, etc. in their monastery. The spirit of poverty is more important than the other. This poster has no ideas - as to many - that many others are given donations of food, money and such as alms to help support a community and even St. Clare accepted donations and food and such. Most orders/communities get many things like this and give the majority of them away to the poor or the local church. It would be more pride to wallow around in the dirt and over do the penance. Even St. Clare learned this at the end of her life when she realized she brought on her illness and dying herself with extreme penance and fasting. She knew you can over do all this and counseled her sisters to not follow her extremes - if one is sick and unable to do her duties and becomes a burden on the community when it wasn't necessary what good is it? The spirit of poverty and wanting to possess nothing but God and to expect ALL from His Divine Providence, love and mercy is the true poverty - not a put on "oh look at me! how wonderful am I living in a hovel, dirt, eating one pea a day, etc." and assume a false poverty and poor-ness. The joyful and loving poor people are the ones who are humble and close to God. How many poor people do you hear about and maybe know who are miserable, turn to crime, etc. Making one's self beggarly isn't a good and holy thing when it isn't one inline with God's will or for love of Him. If this poster IS in Italy, how DOES she know what happens in or with this community/order?! It's a different thing if this person entered with this order and she saw first hand how they ate filet mignon and champagne every night and the sisters had credit cards and went shopping and went against the church and such! Now THAT is a insult to other and the Church, not her PERCEIVED notions! I wasn't going to respond to this but It was just to hard to not respond to such ridiculous and outrageous accusations![/quote] Who irremediably is sickened does not notice of its evil and when he notices some often it is too much late. Consumerism, materialism, modernism are a plague from which nobody seems that blank. Watched for courtesy these link. [url="http://www.granangular.net/aff_rech.asp?mode=data&ths=rgp&id=4179"]http://www.granangular.net/aff_rech.asp?mo...rgp&id=4179[/url] [url="http://www.esprit-photo.com/galerie.php?cat=3&rep=134"]http://www.esprit-photo.com/galerie.php?cat=3&rep=134[/url] [url="http://www.padreguglielmocesena.com/le%20foto.htm"]http://www.padreguglielmocesena.com/le%20foto.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Dude, you need help. Seriously. Now I know why some communties don't have websites. Edited January 11, 2009 by Saint Therese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 [quote name='frateumile' post='1748798' date='Jan 11 2009, 03:27 PM']Who irremediably is sickened does not notice of its evil and when he notices some often it is too much late. Consumerism, materialism, modernism are a plague from which nobody seems that blank. Watched for courtesy these link. [url="http://www.granangular.net/aff_rech.asp?mode=data&ths=rgp&id=4179"]http://www.granangular.net/aff_rech.asp?mo...rgp&id=4179[/url] [url="http://www.esprit-photo.com/galerie.php?cat=3&rep=134"]http://www.esprit-photo.com/galerie.php?cat=3&rep=134[/url] [url="http://www.padreguglielmocesena.com/le%20foto.htm"]http://www.padreguglielmocesena.com/le%20foto.htm[/url][/quote] [mod]Edited at the poster's request. --Era Might[/mod] You have my prayers. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 But when you fast, put anoint your head and wash your face Matthew 6:17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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