Fidei Defensor Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1746606' date='Jan 8 2009, 08:15 PM']It doesn't matter if its legal or not, it doesn't change the fact it is murder.[/quote] Yeah, yeah. Same old drivel. Refusing to even acknowledge the other side doesn't mean you're right, it makes you a horrible critical thinker. You don't have to agree with the other point of view, but you do need to realize that there is another point of view outside your own. Edited January 9, 2009 by fidei defensor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1746286' date='Jan 8 2009, 04:45 PM']The doctor's who perform abortions don't think they are taking a life, or they just don't care. Either way, they aren't worried about their oath. Lawyer's take oaths too, but lots violate them.[/quote] If you've read "Swear to God" by Scott Hahn, there is a reason for the oaths and their relationship to the sacraments is pretty interesting. Still, I think most medical and legal professionals are exactly that: professionals. They want to do the right thing and obey their oaths because what they do for a living is more than a job or a career, it's a vocation that forms part of their identity. Doctors and lawyers get a bad rep because of the few who make headlines, but the vast majority are out there doing good work for society. [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1746319' date='Jan 8 2009, 05:24 PM']i find it totally hard to believe that these educated men of science and biology DO NOT think they are taking a life! they know EXACTLY what they are doing! that's what makes abortion so evil. they know it is the taking of life, but they have found a way to justify it in their own minds and souls... (and mostly in their wallets...)[/quote] It is entirely possible that educated people are blind to the truth. Philosophically speaking, nearly anything can be rationalized when you don't believe in the existence of eternal souls. I'm not sure if I buy the profit argument. I wonder if that isn't just a way to gain a few profit-hating liberals by degrading the industry more than the sin. Seems to me that an OB/GYN should be able to make just as much money or more without performing abortions. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1746840' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:21 AM']If I become a doctor (as has been my dream and intent for many years now), will I be required to perform abortions? Or even to learn about them? I hope not... but knowing our (lack of) abortion law up here... I'd have to have some sort of protest. Anyone wanna join...? In five years or so?[/quote] They can take away your license, put you in prison, and they could even take your life, but they can't make you perform an abortion. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1746863' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:36 AM']My dream/goal is ophthalmology... which is pretty far removed.[/quote] Oddly enough... the two medical practices sitting on each side of the abortion provider in Louisville are ophthalmologists. I can't help but wonder who really needs their eyes checked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1746606' date='Jan 8 2009, 09:15 PM']It doesn't matter if its legal or not, it doesn't change the fact it is murder.[/quote] I am aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1747109' date='Jan 9 2009, 09:46 AM']If you've read "Swear to God" by Scott Hahn, there is a reason for the oaths and their relationship to the sacraments is pretty interesting. Still, I think most medical and legal professionals are exactly that: professionals. They want to do the right thing and obey their oaths because what they do for a living is more than a job or a career, it's a vocation that forms part of their identity. Doctors and lawyers get a bad rep because of the few who make headlines, but the vast majority are out there doing good work for society.[/quote] When I was in law school, we were discussing the oath that people take before testifying. The professor said that its real purpose was to make the witness stop and realize the importance of what they were doing. He said in all the criminal trials he was involved in with the exception of girlfriends and moms, very few people lie outside of the defendants. I know the one time I was a witness, I had been in court many times, but when they went to give me that oath, I did catch myself stopping, and really reflecting on why I was there, and on what I needed to do. Even today, I haven't had a license to practice law in years, but I still follow my oath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Because people have free will. And they are jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The Hippocratic oath is not required for a medical license. Most schools have their students take it, some do not. I have heard stories that people are asked during interviews for medical schools if they will prescribe contraception, and being refused admission on that basis ... but that is just colloquial ... you maybe have to observe an abortion during your gyno rotation, but you won't be forced to preform one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1747161' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:16 PM']I have heard stories that people are asked during interviews for medical schools if they will prescribe contraception, and being refused admission on that basis[/quote] If it's a public medical school, that's sounds illegal. Still, depending on how they ask the question, it might be possible to give them the answer they want to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='lost_in_this_world' post='1746241' date='Jan 8 2009, 04:12 PM']so i am very pro-life but i cannot understand this concept and maybe you guys can explain it. when a doctor becomes a doctor, they take the hippocratic oath correct? that states that they will not kill people in summary. so how can they take this oath and then perform abortions or terminate life in any form? it just doesnt make sense. to me.[/quote] You're absolutely right-it doesn't make sense. I think that doctors who perform abortions are extremely misguided and convince themselves that they are not taking a human life, that a fetus is not a human life. I think there are still a large percentage in the medical community who believe this-I think they must have to try hard to make themselves believe it, in light of the fact that technology has progressed so much, with ultrasound and such, that we can truly see that a fetus is indeed a human life. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1746840' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:21 AM']If I become a doctor (as has been my dream and intent for many years now), will I be required to perform abortions? Or even to learn about them? I hope not... but knowing our (lack of) abortion law up here... I'd have to have some sort of protest. Anyone wanna join...? In five years or so?[/quote] I don't know but a friend of a friend quit her job as a nurse because she was basically forced into assisting at abortions and she did have to sign something in some kind of document that precluded her from calling the baby anything other than "fetus." I'm not sure, though, that she couldn't have pursued action that would have allowed her to continue working there without having anything to do with abortions (i.e gone to administration or HR), I think she was too disgusted to [i]want[/i] to continue working there after having seen what went on. She said it was haunting, because it was a Children's hospital and on one side the staff would be saving a premature baby in NICU and the same day aborting a baby of the same age. -Katie Edited January 11, 2009 by Tinkerlina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntingknight Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 It's because they want to ignore the burden of children. I have thought a lot about this subject and some of people who are pro-choice are nothing but complainers and greedy people who ignore the fact that a person is a person no matter how small. Then you also have the people who wants the European race to continue but are not willing to have a child of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1748583' date='Jan 10 2009, 11:47 PM']I don't know but a friend of a friend quit her job as a nurse because she was basically forced into assisting at abortions and she did have to sign something in some kind of document that precluded her from calling the baby anything other than "fetus." I'm not sure, though, that she couldn't have pursued action that would have allowed her to continue working there without having anything to do with abortions (i.e gone to administration or HR), I think she was too disgusted to [i]want[/i] to continue working there after having seen what went on. She said it was haunting, because it was a Children's hospital and on one side the staff would be saving a premature baby in NICU and the same day aborting a baby of the same age. -Katie[/quote] It's even harder to say because I think that the laws in Canada will differ most drastically from the US in health care, especially abortion law (or lack thereof)... but I don't know where to look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1748587' date='Jan 11 2009, 01:50 AM']It's even harder to say because I think that the laws in Canada will differ most drastically from the US in health care, especially abortion law (or lack thereof)... but I don't know where to look it up.[/quote] Hmmm, yeah not sure about that myself. I wonder if the Ministry of Health would have some info? -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1748596' date='Jan 10 2009, 11:57 PM']Hmmm, yeah not sure about that myself. I wonder if the Ministry of Health would have some info? -Katie[/quote] I've googled it before and turned up nothing specific. Just rants on either side of the spectrum, which is zero help to this situation. I guess I'll have to - gasp - read hard documents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1748604' date='Jan 11 2009, 02:01 AM']I've googled it before and turned up nothing specific. Just rants on either side of the spectrum, which is zero help to this situation. I guess I'll have to - gasp - read hard documents![/quote] Oh man, that's a bummer. -Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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