lost_in_this_world Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 so i am very pro-life but i cannot understand this concept and maybe you guys can explain it. when a doctor becomes a doctor, they take the hippocratic oath correct? that states that they will not kill people in summary. so how can they take this oath and then perform abortions or terminate life in any form? it just doesnt make sense. to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 it's become a [i]hypocritic[/i] oath now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 For one, the abortion clause is no longer included in the modern Hippocratic Oath. Thus, the ethics of abortion and related procedures depends on each doctor's opinion of when life begins. I suppose they perform some similar logic gymnastics for euthenasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 [quote name='lost_in_this_world' post='1746241' date='Jan 8 2009, 03:12 PM']so i am very pro-life but i cannot understand this concept and maybe you guys can explain it. when a doctor becomes a doctor, they take the hippocratic oath correct? that states that they will not kill people in summary. so how can they take this oath and then perform abortions or terminate life in any form? it just doesnt make sense. to me.[/quote] Correct me if I am wrong, but since abortion is legal (for the most part), it is not considered murder. The same applies to euthanasia because this is "mercy killing" and the patient (or willing victim I should say) signs the papers so the doctors or hospital does not get into trouble. By "they will not kill people in summary" I think they mean if a drunk driver comes into the ER, along with the two children he hit along the way, and the children end up dying, the doctor cannot withhold treatment or do anything to prevent saving the driver's life (in other words cannot take justice into their own hands or respond subjectively). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 The doctor's who perform abortions don't think they are taking a life, or they just don't care. Either way, they aren't worried about their oath. Lawyer's take oaths too, but lots violate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1746247' date='Jan 8 2009, 03:17 PM']For one, the abortion clause is no longer included in the modern Hippocratic Oath.[/quote] Yep [quote name='CatherineM' post='1746286' date='Jan 8 2009, 03:45 PM']The doctor's who perform abortions don't think they are taking a life, or they just don't care. Either way, they aren't worried about their oath.[/quote] Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i find it totally hard to believe that these educated men of science and biology DO NOT think they are taking a life! they know EXACTLY what they are doing! that's what makes abortion so evil. they know it is the taking of life, but they have found a way to justify it in their own minds and souls... (and mostly in their wallets...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It is about money. Morgentaller here in Canada is a prime example. He's a Holocaust survivor, doing to women what the Nazi's had done to his people. He says he fought for abortion rights all for the sake of women. He once lost his license to practice medicine (which should have automatically disqualified him for the Order of Canada, but that's another fight). He lost it because he got caught re-using disposable medical supplies. Why would any doctor re-use a disposable product? Easy, to save money. Who is hurt? The women he keeps saying he is so interested in helping. He risked the health of his patients for money. That tells you everything you need to know. By the way, I'm not talking about paper gowns either, I'm talking about things that are disposable for a reason in an OB practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_in_this_world Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 lol thanks and sorry for the misspelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1746249' date='Jan 8 2009, 04:18 PM']Correct me if I am wrong, but since abortion is legal (for the most part), it is not considered murder. The same applies to euthanasia because this is "mercy killing" and the patient (or willing victim I should say) signs the papers so the doctors or hospital does not get into trouble. By "they will not kill people in summary" I think they mean if a drunk driver comes into the ER, along with the two children he hit along the way, and the children end up dying, the doctor cannot withhold treatment or do anything to prevent saving the driver's life (in other words cannot take justice into their own hands or respond subjectively).[/quote] It doesn't matter if its legal or not, it doesn't change the fact it is murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If I become a doctor (as has been my dream and intent for many years now), will I be required to perform abortions? Or even to learn about them? I hope not... but knowing our (lack of) abortion law up here... I'd have to have some sort of protest. Anyone wanna join...? In five years or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1746840' date='Jan 8 2009, 11:21 PM']If I become a doctor (as has been my dream and intent for many years now), will I be required to perform abortions? Or even to learn about them? I hope not... but knowing our (lack of) abortion law up here... I'd have to have some sort of protest. Anyone wanna join...? In five years or so?[/quote] That's a good question. I wonder if you could morally object. I wonder if the procedure is taught in med schools attached to catholic universities? The problem is the a basic D&C is also standard for some other regular gyn problems. Kind of like the pill being used for other stuff. I guess you could go into dermatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1746849' date='Jan 8 2009, 11:29 PM']That's a good question. I wonder if you could morally object. I wonder if the procedure is taught in med schools attached to catholic universities? The problem is the a basic D&C is also standard for some other regular gyn problems. Kind of like the pill being used for other stuff. I guess you could go into dermatology.[/quote] My dream/goal is ophthalmology... which is pretty far removed. Only troble is I have to go through all four years of med school before specializing. They try to teach a bit of everything in those four years, as far as I know. ...but in any case, the current plan doesn't even have anything to do with Catholic universities. I'm not interested in leaving home quite yet; want to be more self sufficient first. So maybe I'll have to check this out. I'd find it repulsive even learning how to do the procedure on grapefruits and garbage like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1746863' date='Jan 8 2009, 11:36 PM']My dream/goal is ophthalmology... which is pretty far removed. Only troble is I have to go through all four years of med school before specializing. They try to teach a bit of everything in those four years, as far as I know. ...but in any case, the current plan doesn't even have anything to do with Catholic universities. I'm not interested in leaving home quite yet; want to be more self sufficient first. So maybe I'll have to check this out. I'd find it repulsive even learning how to do the procedure on grapefruits and garbage like that.[/quote] My great-uncle was an eye, ear, nose and throat doctor, back before they split those specialties. He was basically a small town doctor in Kansas that did a bit of everything. He went to school in Austria. That was right after he served in WWI, so that's about as far away from the farm in Oklahoma as he could get. My grandmother, his baby sister, had a mole on her nose that looked like it could get cancerous, and he used to send her a chunk or radium to tape to her nose every now and then to get rid of it, by US mail. Man, have times changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1746875' date='Jan 8 2009, 11:51 PM']My great-uncle was an eye, ear, nose and throat doctor, back before they split those specialties. He was basically a small town doctor in Kansas that did a bit of everything. He went to school in Austria. That was right after he served in WWI, so that's about as far away from the farm in Oklahoma as he could get. My grandmother, his baby sister, had a mole on her nose that looked like it could get cancerous, and he used to send her a chunk or radium to tape to her nose every now and then to get rid of it, by US mail. Man, have times changed.[/quote] That is one of the more awesome things I've heard this week! I love eyes. Have no idea why. I'd also get to play with lasers. How neat! Something about performing surgery to save someone from or reverse blindness or potential blindness seems... almost miraculous to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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