Aloysius Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Mar 17 2004, 11:16 AM'] One of the (many) things I love about going to the Old Mass is that I don't have to deal with these matters. [/quote] just make sure you're goin to an indult one, otherwise it's illicit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Correction Thomas, At Communion we receive the Precious Body and Blood of Christ, not bread and wine. Second, regardless of which species you recieve, you are recieving Both: the Body and Blood of Christ. (The theological priciple is called concomitance.) The Church allows reception under both species, but does not say that it is necessary and it is debatable whether it is advantageous or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 yadayadayada. Don't lecture me Al. :boring: I drive (with my wife and kids) an hour and a half every sunday morning to attend an indult. In doing so I drive past an independent chapel wich would cut my driving time in half and save me a hell of a lot gas money. I am well aquanted with the arguments surrounding this issue. Thank you for your concern though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Don't take that last post the wrong way. I am being somewhat facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 hehehehee... just hadta make sure didn't mean to 'lecture ya' hehehe tis a grand thing you do passing by the independent chapel. tis grand indeed. i'm planning on goin 2 an indult when i get the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Mar 17 2004, 11:12 AM'] anyway, parents are so annoying in this matter of altar girls. i wish they would stop seeing it as some thing that any lil kid could go through and understand that it fosters vocations and for the good of the Church they should let boys only be altar girls (although i'm sure there's plenty out there in the US who are hoping their girls will one day be priests :barf:) seriously, i'd love to see it be altar boys only again. but the parents would throw a temper tantrum and maybe even leave the Church over such a silly matter. May God stomp out all arrogant pride and misguided disobedience throughout His holy Church. [/quote] I'm so proud of you Al.... :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Mar 17 2004, 11:12 AM'] anyway, parents are so annoying in this matter of altar girls. i wish they would stop seeing it as some thing that any lil kid could go through and understand that it fosters vocations and for the good of the Church they should let boys only be altar girls (although i'm sure there's plenty out there in the US who are hoping their girls will one day be priests :barf:) seriously, i'd love to see it be altar boys only again. but the parents would throw a temper tantrum and maybe even leave the Church over such a silly matter. May God stomp out all arrogant pride and misguided disobedience throughout His holy Church. [/quote] Good point, Aloysius. My parish and several others in the area have altar boys only. Nobody really seems to care. But I suppose if a parish has been having female altar servers for years (like before they were even allowed to), some people would get upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fonzmonster Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 I would be totally upset if it was alter boys only! Am I the only one here who realizes that it's ridiculous to think girl alter servers are a threat to the priesthood? I was an alter girl, and it didn't make ME want to be a priest, but it did make me aware that I could get involved in the church. How would it BENEFIT the church to have only male alter servers again? And if the point is to encourage boys to join the priesthood, what is there to encourage girls to join the sisterhood? If a female alter server loved being involved, I doubt she will really be so stupid as to think the only way for her to devote her life to God is to be a PRIEST. That's insulting. What we have seen is women becoming more involved in their parishes. Church is not seen as man's domain anymore, and that's a POSITIVE, not a negative. Let's not, in our quest to keep the church from being liberal, make it narrow-minded and paranoid. Lounge Daddy, I'd love to know what my bro thinks about this, since you know we were all alter servers in our family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 no one has the right to be an altar server. it's the Church's call. don't get prideful and think every girl has this right. it's a priveledge the Church can use however she wishes. if she wishes to use it to foster vocations to the priesthood in a time when they seem to be pretty low, she will, and it'd be a darn shame if people got bent out of shape over it. why must girls do work on the altar to get involved in the Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatPhred Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='Mar 17 2004, 10:05 AM']Alter Girls have only been allowed since the late 80's or early 90's.[/quote] They were permitted by the new 1983 canon law, which dropped the "male only" requirement from the previous 1917 edition of canon law. [quote name='PedroX' date='Mar 17 2004, 10:05 AM']The actual norms set up to allow the practice call for it to be a limited practice,[/quote] I've heard this, but I've never actually seen an official Church reference. What norms are you talking about that call for the use of altar girls to be limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 [font="Courier"]Dad had to learn Latin prayers when he was an alter server… why? Because alter servers were the first step to priesthood… this is the traditional intent of alter servers. This is why some priests in our diocese will not allow female alter servers (like Fr. Ken, in Ludington if I am not mistaken) and most all Catholic parishes outside the U.S. do not have female alter servers at all… A common opinion I have heard is “female alter servers” became a tool for anti-Catholic liberals to see “a female priesthood” and other changes brought into the Catholic Church. It’s sad… we grew up in a very Liberal culture where a “risen Christ” is a great crucifix and abortion is totally legal. On this same note, my sister does have some great points. [b]“I was an alter girl, and it didn't make ME want to be a priest, but it did make me aware that I could get involved in the church. How would it BENEFIT the church to have only male alter servers again? And if the point is to encourage boys to join the priesthood, what is there to encourage girls to join the sisterhood?”[/b] Hey, traditionally nuns sang in the choir, right? I know some men that sang in the choir and they didn’t want to become nuns. Hehe I know I joke, but really … what do you think? Alter girls can be a great thing… even if a woman wants to be a wonderful sacristan. What harm is a female alter server, for real?[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom25angels Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 I'm going to put my two cents in here about girls as altar servers. As the mother of 4 girls and only 1 boy , I feel strongly that there are many, many other ways our girls can become involved in our church. My girls know that my husband and I won't allow them to be altar servers, they do not feel that it means they can't be involved in our parish. There is no reason that boys shouldn't have this form of service that is special to them. It in no way means that girls are less or inferior. Why not encourage boys to serve at the altar and not girls. After all boys can grow up to be priests not girls. Just as girls can grow up to be mothers and not boys. There is nothing wrong with identifying to our children that they are different, in fact it is harmfull to identify them as the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 okay, why don't we make a female-only choir and a male-only altar boys... i'd like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 In the old Church alter serving was a way to encourge men to enter the priesthood. I know many of the alter servers in my parish, both male and female, and, saddly, many have no intrest in the voctians. Now days, where I live so it may not be a national norm, men that are intrested in the priesthood go to meetings once a months just for male teens intrested in the priesthood. Or they, like I did, go and talk to the parish priest or get in contact with the person in charge of voctions. I don't think that alter serving is a step to the priesthood anymore but I am basing that on what I know from my parish and not on any well founded stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Mar 16 2004, 10:39 AM'] New Eucharist rules set for April publication The Vatican will publish strict new norms on the Eucharist next month, permanently changing the way Mass is celebrated throughout the world. London's Catholic Herald reports that Pope John Paul II has authorised the publication of the norms on Holy Thursday - 8 April - a year after his landmark encyclical on the Eucharist. The final draft of the document, which is now being translated from Latin, will be a carefully edited version of the draft text leaked last September. The draft, which discouraged the reception of communion in both kinds and limited the role of altar girls, provoked an angry reaction from bishops in the English-speaking world. After intensive episcopal lobbying, the Vatican is understood to have simplified the document and moderated some of the more controversial proscriptions. The Catholic Herald reports that a source close to the Vatican said the document is part of a drive to "solemnise" the celebration of Mass and to counter a perceived lack of reverence for the Eucharist among Catholics. It is also likely to challenge the view that the Second Vatican Council gave local bishops the authority to adapt the liturgy. It will also emphasise that Rome must guarantee the universality of the Mass. SOURCE New rules on the Eucharist (Catholic Herald 10/3/04) [/quote] very very good. Our Pope is wonderful :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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